John Chambers wrote -

>Geez; there's always someone who will respond seriously to a joke!

Sorry.  You make so many comments to the effect that standards are a BAD 
THING that I didn't realise this one was meant to be a joke.  (Curious 
attitude for a member of the standards committee.)

Thanks for the serious reply even if you didn't answer my questions.

>As  for implementation,  there  is  the  general  problem  of a developer 
who
>responds "Who needs that stupid  feature?"  This  is  because  he/she
>doesn't play any of the sort of music that needs it.

and later -

>But even if we were to produce an official standard that requires endings...

No problem.  If a particular piece of software doesn't include a feature that 
it's user don't use that's no trouble to anybody.  A standard doesn't 
"require" anybody to do anything; it just says "This is how this is being 
done by other people so if you want to do it and to be able to exchange music 
with others, it would be a good idea to do it the same way."  The problem 
arises when developers introduce extensions which nobody else knows about or, 
worse still, are in direct conflict with somebody else's extension.

>The early users were mostly involved with
>British Isles music, where multiple endings are  rarely  needed,  and
>third  endings  are hardly ever seen at all.  

I'm involved with British Isles music and I'd like multiple endings.  Rarely 
isn't never.


>Jim was writing abc2win in the early days of  abc,  long  before  the
>rest of us knew what was up. Talk about a "standard" was years in the
>future.  It was an informal effort involving a handful  of  musicians
>who were also programmers. Criticising them for not doing a standards
>effort is hardly appropriate.  

So why do you do it?  I seem to recall remarks like "gross violations of the 
standard" and "deviant" with reference to abc2win.  I'm not criticising the 
early developers; it's the curernt situation that worries me.  We ARE now 
years in the future.  ABC has moved on and now involves hundreds if not 
thousands of people across several continents (Well, we get junk mail from 
Turkey).  We can't all get together in the pub for a friendly chat.

ABC is all right.  With a bit more cooperation between the developers it 
could be bloody fantatstic.

Bryan Creer

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