John Chambers wrote:
>Jeff wrote:
>| > From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>| > In any case, most musicians don't consider them to be different.
>|
>| This one does.  :-)  Some folk musicians may not consider them to be
>| different, but I'd argue that most classical musicians do.
>
>Yeah; fiddlers generally distinguish them. Players of plucked strings
>and keyboard generally don't.  I play all three, so I'm completely at
>odds with myself on the issue ...

I'm a guitar player, and I certainly distinguish them.

<>

>Well, golly; I was expecting  to  trigger  a  flame  war.   And  here
>everyone seems to be very nearly agreeing ...
>
>My recommendation for a standard recommendation would be to say  that
>in ABC, these are all legal:
>     A- A
>    (A  A)
>     A- B
>    (A  B)

I don't have a lot of use for A- B (although I suppose you could use
it to imply that you get from A to B by bending the note sharp, rather
than plucking or hammering on, which is what I would take (A B) to
mean).  I don't think most people would understand that though, so
if I used it for that purpose I'd have to say so in words in the
header.

>We should also attempt an education campaign to teach musicians  what
>the  difference  is  between a tie and a slur.  This will be a losing
>battle, and a lot of ABC will always confuse the two, just as  a  lot
>of  printed music confuses them.  But attempting to restrict usage to
>some obscure rules isn't very useful; education is much better.

Despite all suggestions to the contrary, I haven't yet come across an
abc tune where A- B appeared to be a genuine attempt to convey a
stylistic nuance rather than a mistake.  You see it most often in
tunes which are full of other mistakes.

>This doesn't make life easy for those trying to  write  ABC  players.

You can say that again.

>One  idea  might be to officially encourage the use of the A:  header
>field to label specific styles.  This could help if you want to  make
>sense  of  such  style-specific notation.  And, since people won't do
>this, and because we want to play things  in  different  styles,  the
>software should have options to override any such things and impose a
>style.  This is really how things like > and < should be handled.

Yes and no.  > and < should be handled first exactly as the standard
says, but with the option of applying a stress program which shortens
or lengthens the notes in each bar in a regular pattern invoked by the
R: field.

Phil Taylor


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