Forgeot=20Eric?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > It is just simply | >incorrect to not make the normal distinction between ties and | slurs in any | >form of musical notation (which does include ABC), and, worst of | all, | >ultimately confusing to users if improper usage is allowed. ...
| I don't think people, like me or John Chamber, who want in this | case a more tolerant standard wish to confuse pple with the | notions of slurs and ties. In fact, we can't confuse people; they are already confused. The simple fact is that conventional printed music notation doesn't make a real distinction. True, some publishers claim to draw those arcs slightly differently. But different publishers use different rules. And simple examination of a stack of published music will quickly convince you that most of them have such poor quality control that any claimed differences are wiped out in the printing process. All you can really say with accuracy is that printed music uses arcs that connect groups of two or more notes, and these arcs mean different things in different circumstances. Any differences in how they are drawn are mostly accidental artifacts of the printing process, and are best ignored unless you *know* that a particular edition is using those differences consistently. | And a last remark : in french we only use one word for the two : | it is called "liaison", we would not confuse the two. It's even worse than that, of course. Those arcs are used for at least three things in conventional music. In English, we call them ties, slurs and phrases. I haven't yet read any complaints about people using () in abc to indicate such things as bowing/breathing, but I suppose I will eventually. Printed music notates this exactly the same way as it does phrasing. The only difference is the length of the group of notes, so it always requires musical judgement to distinguish slurs from phrases. | ... For ties between more than 2 notes like | A3-A2-|A2 I don't find it really logical to allow (A3 A2 |A2), but | why not ? I've seen this, but it's rare. I think most printers and publishers have at least managed to get this one right. ;-) In any case, if we want musicians to get such things right in abc, we really should have distinct ways of representing ALL of the uses of arcs in printed music. Conflating slurs with phrases, while distinguishing ties, is guaranteed to just add to user confusion. Is there a fourth use of these arcs that I haven't listed? (Hey. Laura; does LilyPond distinguish all these? Just curious.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
