In spite of frequent attempts it is not possible for me to unscrtibe in the way you suggest. Please do so for me
Leon & Joan Tel: (041) 584 0707 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 August 2003 00:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: abcusers-digest V1 #992 abcusers-digest Tuesday, August 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:59:15 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Moine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] gchordfont and alternate repeats On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:42:30 -0400, "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I was hoping to be able to use this to implement the mid-repeat variant >notation, e.g. > >|: A A | B B | [1 c c] | [2 d d] | e e :| > >but unfortunately, abcm2ps also puts in a thick barline after the ']' >instead of just closing the bracket. I also note that as of 3.7.0, it The barline on ']' was due to a bug which is fixed in the release 3.7.3 I'm uploading just now. >puts in "... a double bar at end of line when next line starts with a >repeat bar." It is so in most music scores I have. >I find this (new to abcm2ps) business of adding in notational elements >not specified in the abc a bit disturbing. If a player program needs to >insist on "correct" notation of repeats or whatever, fine, but a >typesetting program shouldn't care. Any way to turn this off, Jef? I don't see what you expect... - -- Ken ar c'henta� | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ P�p� Jef | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:02:06 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Moine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] ties over alternate endings On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 9:46:34 -0400, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] >C-|CDEF|GABc-|cBAG|[1 CDEC-:|[2 CDEC|] > >The ps output created by abcm2ps ties the C at the end of the first ending to the C in the beginning of the second ending, which we know is incorrect. [snip] This bug is fixed in the release 3.7.3. - -- Ken ar c'henta� | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ P�p� Jef | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:19:33 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Moine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:25:58 -0500, Don Whitener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I've been tinkering around a bit with a format file for Abcm2ps... > >I am looking for a way to change the font size of the measure numbers, and >I can't seem to find a way to do this. Can this font size be changed, or >am I just overlooking something? You could change it overloading the postscript functions 'end1' and 'end2'. In the release 3.7.3, I added '%%repeatfont' for that. >Also, while I'm asking, is there a way to change the font of the >decorations or expressions? If so, this is eluding me as well. Most decorations are drawn by postscript functions which may be overloaded. For instance, expressions may be changed putting the line: %%postscript /pf{/Times-Italic 20 selectfont 5 add M cshow}! in the tune header. - -- Ken ar c'henta� | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ P�p� Jef | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:28:14 -0500 From: Don Whitener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font I believe that we may be addressing two different things. I am referring the font for the bar numbers that are set with [%%measurenb], not the numbers that are included in the repeated endings. But that is a good idea also... Don At 05:19 AM 8/25/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:25:58 -0500, Don Whitener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >I've been tinkering around a bit with a format file for Abcm2ps... > > > >I am looking for a way to change the font size of the measure numbers, and > >I can't seem to find a way to do this. Can this font size be changed, or > >am I just overlooking something? > >You could change it overloading the postscript functions 'end1' and >'end2'. In the release 3.7.3, I added '%%repeatfont' for that. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:48:44 UTC From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font Don Whitener writes: | I believe that we may be addressing two different things. I am referring | the font for the bar numbers that are set with [%%measurenb], not the | numbers that are included in the repeated endings. But that is a good idea | also... The original abc2ps has a "barnumberfont" setting, and also a "barlabelfont". Try those and see how they work. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC 2.0 avoiding line breaks John Chambers writes: >The real problem we're facing is: A lot of people really want the >final backslash to mean "continue with the next line of the same >type". > [...] >This problem is fundamentally hopeless, because musical terminology >and understanding is so varied. Unless we can come up with a truly >unambiguous definition of "same type" lines, we don't stand a chance >of making this work consistently. And given the wide differences here >in how people understand musical terms, we just aren't going to do >anything like that. > This one depends on how you view the problem. If you think of continuing one line to a specified line below, you're right, it is indeed difficult. But if you think of continuing groups of lines it is easier. In the examples we've seen---certainly all those I was thinking of---there were groups of music/lyrics/voices which would be played simultaneously, and which, in staff notation, would all be broken or continued together. And indeed, I think that the programs already know how to do the breaking/continuing. For if it breaks the staff, the program has to figure out how to write the next staff or group of staves. If it continues the line, it does just the same, except it writes them on the same line, not a new line. All the info it needs should already be in the headers, where the voices are defined. (Ok, there may be some auxiliary lines---didn't I see something about a decorations line in the standard?--but the program will have figured that out, too.) I can imagine some pitfalls: what if a voice drops out or comes in? What if one of the lines in the groups needs to be continued separately, within the group continuation? Perhaps one needs a way to do that as well as continuing the entire group. We probably have to see a bunch of examples to know. On John's suggestion of "\3" to skip three lines: well, the worst-case is probably a conductor's score for an oratorio---full orchestra and chorus scores, all together. (Maybe not a realistic aim of abc, but we might as well keep it in mind.) I wouldn't trust myself to count lines for that! But the "\x" notation is something to keep in mind in case we do need more than one variant on the continuation. Anyway, it seems to me that it's as much a musical problem as a programming problem---and, as John pointed out in a previous post, it helps that the developers are musicians... Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:05:27 -0500 From: Don Whitener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [abcusers] Abcm2Ps Measure Number Font Thank you John... Neither of these commands seem to have any affect, so I presume they are not valid in Abcm2ps. Don At 12:48 PM 8/25/2003, John Chambers wrote: >Don Whitener writes: >| I believe that we may be addressing two different things. I am referring >| the font for the bar numbers that are set with [%%measurenb], not the >| numbers that are included in the repeated endings. But that is a good idea >| also... > >The original abc2ps has a "barnumberfont" setting, and also a >"barlabelfont". Try those and see how they work. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:30:24 -0400 From: Tom Keays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [abcusers] Mac OS X pre-compiled binary of abcm2ps 3.7.3 I made a stab at making a pre-compiled binary of the latest version 3.7.3 of abcm2ps. I have placed it on my BarFly mirror site. - -> http://web.syr.edu/~htkeays/music/abc/ - -> http://web.syr.edu/~htkeays/music/abc/abcm2ps-373.pkg.gz I did it mainly because the Mac binaries on the abcPlus site were not current (stalled at version 3.6.2). - -> http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/#abcm2ps%20binaries The idea of the pre-compiled version is to save Mac users from having to install it from the Unix command line in Terminal. This is my first attempt at making a package so I might not have done it all correctly. Let me know if you encounter any problems. I probably won't create a new binary for every iteration of the abcm2ps program. - -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:05:48 -0400 From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [abcusers] Uppity typesetting (was: gchordfont and alternate repeats) On 25 Aug 2003 at 11:59, Jean-Francois Moine wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:42:30 -0400, "Ewan A. Macpherson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I also note that as of 3.7.0, it [abcm2ps] > >puts in "... a double bar at end of line when next line starts with a > >repeat bar." > > It is so in most music scores I have. Granted, but what if *I* don't want it there? Now there's no way not to have it. > >I find this (new to abcm2ps) business of adding in notational elements > >not specified in the abc a bit disturbing. If a player program needs to > >insist on "correct" notation of repeats or whatever, fine, but a > >typesetting program shouldn't care. Any way to turn this off, Jef? > > I don't see what you expect... What I'm getting at is that I don't think an abc typesetting program should be making "corrections" like this. There is a fairly direct correspondance between the notational symbols in the abc file and what shows up on the rendered page. If a user *wants* a double bar they can write it in the abc file, and if they want something else they can specify that, and the typesetter should typeset it as specified. I guess I think the "missing" double bar should be treated like bar- length checking. If I give M:2/4 in the header and proceed to write the tune in 4/4, abcm2ps will issue a lot of "too many notes in bar X" warnings, but it will still only put in bar lines where they are specified and not add in new ones. I don't really care about the double-bar issue itself, but it seems like a departure from past practice to have the typesetter enforcing "correct" notation. with best wishes, e. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html ------------------------------ End of abcusers-digest V1 #992 ****************************** To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
