>>>>> "Nico" == Nico Williams <[email protected]> writes:

    Nico> Oh, your main concern is not protocol transition for the
    Nico> initiator (though that'd be nice, no?) but protocol transition
    Nico> for the acceptor.  But the acceptor doesn't need a TGT for
    Nico> this.  Just an INITIAL service ticket will do (initial
    Nico> because, without a TGT for the user, what else can the service
    Nico> do but use a pre-auth that somehow produces an AP-REP with a
    Nico> reply key it can handle, with the KDC disallowing access to
    Nico> anything other than a service ticket with the acceptor as the
    Nico> target?).

Right.
The service doesn't need a TGT.

I was hoping for a mechanism such that

* a TGT is generated if the initiator can take it

* A service ticket is generated all the time

* The service never knows the TGT key

* The service always knows the context key

* The initiator need not know about the service ticket side of the
  business.

--Sam
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