This discussion points out behavior that can result in some problems so I think 
we need to cover this somewhere either in the applicability statement or in 
EAP-GSS.  We need to consider it in TEAP, but the issue is broader than TEAP.  

Joe
On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:53 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:

>>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Schaad <[email protected]> writes:
> 
>    Jim> I have been looking at TEAP and am worried about silent
>    Jim> discarding of packets.
> 
>    Jim> Since in the ABFAB environment, it is assumed that the
>    Jim> transport is reliable, there is a possibility that a difference
>    Jim> of opinion about what constitutes a good packet between the
>    Jim> server and the client could cause a dead-lock situation in the
>    Jim> protocol.
> 
> Silent discard seems kind of inconsistent with a lower layer with
> infinite timeout, don't you think?
> 
> Actually fixing that seems out of scope for just an applicability update
> and is something we should discuss in EMU.
> we can definitely discuss the TEAP specific version there.
> For the applicability statement it seems like we should note this.
> 
> I've reviewed eap-ikev2, and it does seemed that it could be part of a
> solution to provide DOS robustness.  A lot of other things about the EAP
> implementation, lower layer, security association protocol, etc all need
> to be true for you to actually get that benefit.
> 
> I think this discussion has been quite useful and I'll try to work on
> text to propose for the applicability statement focusing on how this all
> impacts applications.
> 
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