>>>>> "Alper" == Alper Yegin <[email protected]> writes:

    Alper> Furthermore, as we discussed in PCP WG there's another
    Alper> problem.  Sam is proposing to decouple EAP security
    Alper> association management from the application state.  More
    Alper> specifically, even after the EAP session is release/timed
    Alper> out, application may still be in use.  What that means is, if
    Alper> the server has an application message that is pending to be
    Alper> transmitted to the client, and if at that time there's no
    Alper> security association available (see above), then the server
    Alper> needs to initiate re-authentication in order to re-generate a
    Alper> security association and send the app message securely.

Hmm, that's not how I'd think about this at all.

I'd describe it as follows.  In a peer-to-peer protocol, you sometimes
have messages you'd like to send to peers for which you have no security
state.
In that case you can either:

1) send an insecure message

2) establish security state.

The question of whether you previously had state with a peer seems a
needless complication.

Regardless, I don't think this issue has much to do with the EAP
applicability statement.
Similar issues show up all over the place with SIP, XMPP, etc.

--Sam
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