It is true that a certificate is not needed, however in the cases that we
are looking at - cross-organization requests - it will be more likely to
want to include it than not.  Otherwise you have a much harder problem of
supporting referring to and fetching the certificate in order to validate
the signature. That said, I would hope that it would be possible to not do
any signatures at all.  I just don't know that it is realistic to require
that the signature be omitted.

jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cantor, Scott [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:13 AM
> To: Jim Schaad; 'Alejandro Perez Mendez'; 'Sam Hartman'
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [abfab] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-perez-radext-
> radius-fragmentation-05.txt
> 
> On 2/11/13 9:39 AM, "Jim Schaad" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >I just created a really simple one, and it was less than 1K in size.
> >However, this assumes that it is not signed.  If you sign it then it
> >will quickly jump in size as you are going to be looking at have a
> >certificate and a signature included in the message which will likely
> >be greater than 4K.
> 
> You don't have to include a certificate to sign a message, though.
> 
> Not that it isn't large anyway, but it's not impossible to stay under 4k
even
> when signing.
> 
> -- Scott


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