Sent offlist unintentionally by Andrew, forwarding On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Andrew Dunbar wrote:
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:49:11 +0100 (BST) > From: "[iso-8859-1] Andrew Dunbar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: the GNOME HIG and AbiWord > > --- Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Any particular things in mind? > > > > I think maybe someone (dom?) has already switched > > [Cancel][ OK ] button order in the Gnome builds to > > match the HIG. > > > > I think that Abiword should continue to follow > > MSWord first and the HIG second. > > Considering the very wise provision in Abiword for > > differnt keybindings schemes it might be wise to > > start a Gnome keybinding scheme. > > > > For example the HIG recommends that Undo be Ctrl+Z > > and the Redo be Ctrl+Shift+Z. > > I agree that for a newbie, a neophyte, a clean > > slate, a beginner that that it is more consistant to > > use the shifted and unshifted versions of the same > > letter for related tasks. > > But i also think that a seperate keybinding scheme > > should be started and kept as much as possible the > > same as MSWord (ill be trying to keep it like > > MSWord97 so i hope Microsoft resisted changing > > anything). > > I *so* agree with this. The more we struggle to be > consistent with "sister apps", "sister environments", > and stay consistent cross-platform, the worse it's > going to get for users. > I think being able to choose a flavour closer to > MS Word or closer to whatever environment AbiWord is > running on is going to be needed sooner or later or > we'll just be confusing all users half the time or > half the users all the time. > Maybe a hidden option, settable at install time might > be a good way to go. > > > Most of the time the HIG does not go into any huge > > depth of detail and we wont have to worry and we can > > continue like we have been doing and (like > > developers should do more often) follow the leader > > unless there is a good enough reason to do > > differently (and that out weighs or compensates for > > the confusion of people familiar with the old > > system). > > Problem for us is that are more than one leader > depending on your perspective. > > > Mostly abiword is very good about avoiding too many > > submenus and having lots of keybindings for things > > (or it least it used to be, there are so many newer > > feature that could do with keybindings, i really > > could do with a shortcut for Insert Hyperlink). > > These *have to* become configurable at some point too. > Keys, menus, and toolbars should call abstract > "functions" that can be bound to any of these or > called > from macros. But that's a whole lotta work. I'm sure > there are RFEs for at least a couple of pieces of > this. > > Andrew. > > > I need to read more about usuability. The > > guidelines are useful for people who just want to > > get things done, but i dont learn like that. If i > > knew the reasoning behind more of the answers i > > would be better able to figure out any gaps not > > covered by the HIG. > > > > I'm tired and this headache is killing me, stupid > > cold, mucus, ick. > > > > I am happy enough to bring up HIG issues if and when > > i notice them. If > > you would prefer i keep my comments in bugzilla > > rather than on the mailing > > list i can do that. > > > > Sincerely > > Alan Horkan > > > > On 10 Oct 2002, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > > > > > Date: 10 Oct 2002 11:50:17 +0200 > > > From: Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: sam th <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: abidev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: the GNOME HIG and AbiWord > > > > > > On jeu, 2002-10-10 at 06:58, sam th wrote: > > > > Many of you (at least the ones who use > > GTK/GNOME) have heard of the > > > > GNOME Human Interface Guidelines[1]. They > > specify guidelines for the > > > > > > Out of footnote range (coredumped). > > > > ===== > http://linguaphile.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/translator.pl http://www.abisource.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com >
