Thank you Janina, That was very helpful.
On 10/15/13 1:05 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi Pete, All:
>
> Janina chiming in here to try and provide overall strategic history.
> I'll leave the technical details to Rich, Steve, and others.
>
> The initial problem is that HTML 5 has obsoleted (deprecated) table
> summary as we knew it in HTML 4.
>
> We tried to get that overturned -- to rinstate summary. Eventually,
> however, we backed off that effort in the expectation that we could
> accomplish the same purpose more strategically.
>
> The goal is that HTML 4's table summary functionality will be taken up
> by ARIA-1.1's ARIA-DescribedAt attribute. We have published our FPWD of
> ARIA-1.1 specifically to put this attribute out for discussion:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Sep/0011.html
>
> As always with ARIA, our intent is that this attribute will be usable
> across markup environments, e.g. SVG as well as HTML.
>
> Also, we intend it to be usable on virtually any element. Thus,
> ARIA-DescribedAt could be understood to subsume HTML 4's Table Summary
> as well as HTML 4's (and soon HTML 5's) longdesc, among others.
>
> Meanwhile, we have determined to leave sleeping dogs lie re summary
> encapsulated in caption.
>
> Janina
>
> Pete Brunet writes:
>> Hi Rich, During another activity I was looking at caption and summary
>> last night and happened to end up on a W3C site that documents how
>> tables should be described:
>> www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#table-descriptions-techniques
>>
>> This shows various techniques:
>>
>> 1) Precede the table with a paragraph and use aria-describedby
>> referencing that paragraph
>> 2) Use the caption tag
>> 3) Use the details tag in a caption tag (and the example shows a summary
>> tag under the details tag)
>> 4/5) Embed the table in a figure tag which has a figcaption tag
>>
>> The third case is the only one showing a summary tag, but it's a child
>> of the caption tag. I found an example here:
>> http://archive.msdn.microsoft.com/mag201212HTML5/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=5925
>>
>> Looking at the UIA properties of a page with that markup, i.e. a
>> hierarchy of caption, details, summary, using Inspect with both IE and
>> FF I saw the full caption text including the summary in the accName /
>> UIA Name. From the perspective of caption that makes sense but having
>> summary as a substring of caption doesn't.
>>
>> Is this a proper use of the summary tag? Or is
>> aria-describedby/labeledby the proper technique? Is there a better
>> document that I should be looking at?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On 10/12/13 5:00 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
>>> Thanks Pete.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 12:43 AM, "Pete Brunet" <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The IAccessibleTable2 spec has an error. The deprecation note on the
>>>> caption method indicates that a describedBy relation should be used
>>>> and the deprecation note on the summary method indicates that a
>>>> labeledBy relation should be used instead. This is backwards and I
>>>> will submit a replacement soon.
>>>>
>>>> Pete
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