I'd say the problem is in restrictions of IAccessibleTable as it describes the continuous model only, while ARIA allows to have "gaps" in tables. So if a table has a gap and spanning right before the gap then we should use a mechanism other than IAccessibleTable. Jamie suggested to use object attributes which sounds reasonable. Alex.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <[email protected]> wrote: > I am continuing the discussion on the list. It sounds like we have two > models - contiguous rows/columns vs. author specified. > > Should we say that if the author is going to provide row and column spans > that user agents NOT compute the indices? IOW, It must all be left up to > the author. > > It sounds like the issue is that we are fighting with trying to compute > the results vs. what the author is putting in. > > Rich > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > ----- Forwarded by Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM on 07/28/2015 09:31 AM > ----- > > From: Alexander Surkov <[email protected]> > To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: Brett Lewis <[email protected]>, David Bolter < > [email protected]>, Frank DiPalermo/Austin/Contr/IBM@IBMUS > Date: 07/28/2015 09:19 AM > Subject: Re: ARIA 1.1 feature status > ------------------------------ > > > > Hi, Rich. Here's Jamie's example [1] where putting ARIA span into > IAccessibleTable interface may be not trivial. I suggest to move discussion > to IA2 channel if possible. > > [1] > *http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-June/001913.html* > <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-June/001913.html> > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger < > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>> wrote: > > That does not make sense. It is essentially the same attribute. > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > [image: Inactive hide details for Alexander Surkov ---07/27/2015 > 08:16:15 PM---They are exposed via IAccessibleTable interface which > se]Alexander > Surkov ---07/27/2015 08:16:15 PM---They are exposed via IAccessibleTable > interface which seems to be inapplicable for ARIA spanning. > > From: Alexander Surkov <*[email protected]* > <[email protected]>> > To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: Brett Lewis <*[email protected]* > <[email protected]>>, David Bolter <*[email protected]* > <[email protected]>>, Frank DiPalermo/Austin/Contr/IBM@IBMUS > Date: 07/27/2015 08:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: ARIA 1.1 feature status > ------------------------------ > > > > They are exposed via IAccessibleTable interface which seems to be > inapplicable for ARIA spanning. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger < > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>> wrote: > How do you expose rowspan and colspan for HTML tables? > > > Rich Schwerdtfeger > > [image: Inactive hide details for Alexander Surkov ---07/27/2015 > 04:06:58 PM---Hi, Brett. All but colspan/rowspan are implemented by > Ni]Alexander > Surkov ---07/27/2015 04:06:58 PM---Hi, Brett. All but colspan/rowspan > are > implemented by Nightly. arai-colcount/rowcount/colindex/rowin > > From: Alexander Surkov <*[email protected]* > <[email protected]>> > To: Brett Lewis <*[email protected]* > <[email protected]>> > Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Frank > DiPalermo/Austin/Contr/IBM@IBMUS, David Bolter < > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > Date: 07/27/2015 04:06 PM > Subject: Re: ARIA 1.1 feature status > ------------------------------ > > > > Hi, Brett. All but colspan/rowspan are implemented by Nightly. > arai-colcount/rowcount/colindex/rowindex are exposed as GroupPosition on > cells and rows. There's no understanding yet on how to expose > aria-colspan/rowspan [1]. > > [1] > > *http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-June/001913.html* > > <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-June/001913.html> > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Brett Lewis < > *[email protected]* <[email protected]>> > wrote: > Hi Alex, > I am starting work on JAWS support for the new ARIA 1.1 features. > I wanted to see where you are w/r/t Firefox support for these. > I was thinking of starting with the table related roles, does > Firefox support these? > How about: > aria-colcount > aria-rowcount > aria-colindex > aria-rowindex > aria-colspan > aria-rowspan > > Do you have a general time line for all the ARIA 1.1 features? > (even just an ordering of which features will be implemented first)? > Do you have a bug record for these? > Thanks for any info you might have. > Brett > > > Brett Lewis > Software Developer > Freedom Scientific, Inc > *727-299-6270* <727-299-6270> > *[email protected]* <[email protected]> > > *www.freedomscientific.com* <http://www.freedomscientific.com/> > > Connect with us: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Accessibility-ia2 mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2 > >
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