Hi Shahbaaz, I don't know how you mixed up the thread. With a lot of
discussion going on about the contents of the accessindia mails, I am
sure the moderator will mark your message as one of off topic mails.
Better join [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any discussion on politics. I am
sure your mail will generate a lot of hot discussion on the list.

On 8/14/06, Kasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> O!!! MayBe, this is your expectition but, it can be or, it can't be true
> though.
>
> Kasha.----- Original Message -----
> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
>
>
> >I clearly mentioned the word 'Absurd', which means if you send something
> > totally irrelevant, what's the point blaming the moderator. Afterall, he
> > is doing his job. And, irrespective of who is sending it, he is doing
> > his best to point out that certain messages are not for discussion. I
> > think we shouldn't be expecting him to spoon feed us on this. Our
> > commonsense must tell us which one is relevant or which one isn't.
> >
> > Also, I feel we should examine ourselves if a message is relevant or
> > not, by perhaps cross checking with the rules specified. If you imply
> > Kiran is discriminate in his condemnation, I'm sorry to say that you are
> > wrong. As I said, you can't expect him to thunderbolt a response each
> > time we post absurd things.
> >
> > Subramani
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kasha
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:40 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >
> > ***********************
> > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename
> >
> > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS.
> > ***********************
> >
> >
> > how it is being filtered then? do you have any idea about it? whether it
> > is
> > depends upon the person who is sending the off topic messages?
> >
> > Kasha.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >
> >
> >> And I do think Kiran is definitely liberal. He isn't saying outright
> > no
> >> to all the off-topics. He goes by the criteria that things that of
> >> concern and of use to all of us, like messages on certain problems
> > faced
> >> by the disabled. However, if things posted in the group are absurd,
> > you
> >> can't blame Kiran. can you?
> >>
> >> Subramani
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
> >> Abraham
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:32 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >>
> >> ***********************
> >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename
> >>
> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS.
> >> ***********************
> >>
> >>
> >> I think it is rather unfair for us to  keep taking digs at our
> >> moderator.
> >> Moderation is necessary  and should be done with efficiency.  Further,
> >> all
> >> of us are educated mature  and responsible people,  we need to be
> >> focused on
> >> the topics the group has been created for.
> >>
> >> Let me tell you,  moderating  is a thankless  and often a very time
> >> consuming job and I think we need to appreciate what  Kiran has been
> >> doing
> >> for the group over the years.
> >>
> >> I  have been a  member of  other groups dealing with  blind and
> > visually
> >>
> >> impaired people and topics related to blindness,  let me tell you ,
> > the
> >>
> >> moderator  can be really rude and rough if  one wastes the group's
> > time
> >> with off topic postings.
> >>
> >> If we feel that we want a platform where  we could discuss anything
> > and
> >> everything,  we can create one.  There used to be a group on yahoo
> >> called
> >> Blind Life,  we could start one like that for us in India.  But
> > please
> >> let
> >> us not spoil  the  Access India platform with   off topic postings and
> >> wild
> >> pot shots at the moderator who is just trying to maintain order for
> > our
> >> convenience.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> George
> >> George Abraham
> >> C.E.O.
> >> Score Foundation
> >> 125B, Shahpur Jat
> >> New Delhi 110049.
> >> India.
> >>
> >> Ph: 91-11-26494581, 91-11-26494582
> >> Mobile: 9810934040
> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Website: www.eyeway.org
> >>
> >> Skype address: georgeabraham13
> >> .
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Kasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:37 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope, Mr. Kiran is also reading this message.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Shahbaz Ali Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:59 PM
> >> Subject: [AI] Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >>
> >>
> >>> Help Stop the Bloodshed in the Middle East
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>> Right now a tragedy is unfolding in the Middle East. Hundreds of
> >>> civilians have died in the bombings in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine
> >>> and the death toll is rising every day.
> >>> UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called for an immediate ceasefire
> >>> and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined Annan in calling for the
> >>> deployment of international troops to the Israel-Lebanon border. This
> >>> is the best proposal yet to stop the violence, but for it to succeed
> >>> other global leaders need to get behind it immediately.
> >>> I have just signed a petition urging regional and global leaders to
> >>> speak out and support Kofi Annan's proposal. If people around the
> >>> world can persuade their governments to unite in demanding a
> >>> ceasefire, all sides in this conflict will be pressured to stand
> >>> down. Can you sign the petition too?
> >>> http://www.ceasefirecampaign.org
> >>>
> >>> The petition will be sent to key regional and global leaders and
> >>> publicized in major newspapers in the Middle East, US and Europe.
> >>> With enough signatures we can help pressure our leaders to stop the
> >>> violence.
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:27 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It's very true. While the Colas like Pepsi and Coke are
> >>>> manufactured for just 90P, they are sold for Rs 10 or more,
> > precisely
> >>>> because the company concerned wants to recover the advertising
> >> revenue,
> >>>> which may perhaps include the money they pay for cricketers and
> >> celebs
> >>>> for carrying their logo on their kit or on their costume.
> >>>>
> >>>> Subramani
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr
> >> Rakesh
> >>>> Jain
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:23 AM
> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>
> >>>> ***********************
> >>>> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename
> >>>>
> >>>> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS.
> >>>> ***********************
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Sir, don't you think that each TV channel with a number of
> >> costly
> >>>> advertisements is a direct burden on the pocket of common human
> >> being,
> >>>> whether one watches that channel or not! Now, if the common man or
> >> the
> >>>> government has to pay little for the benefit of the less fortunate
> >> ones,
> >>>> it
> >>>> does not really matter much to the government. In private sector,
> >>>> companies
> >>>> spend crores of rupees on publicity and so-called staff welfare! As
> >> the
> >>>> there is something which is universally accepted, that is, corporate
> >>>> social
> >>>> responsibilities ( C S R). and, if they will not come forward to
> > make
> >>>> the
> >>>> society beautiful, who will to it! And, you would definitely agree
> > to
> >> it
> >>>>
> >>>> that, we as disabled persons, have to spend alot, have to tax on our
> >>>> limited
> >>>> resources much more than the non-disabled persons. If the government
> >> can
> >>>>
> >>>> continued to extend concessions, reservations and other facilities
> > to
> >>>> the SC
> >>>> and ST and OBC categories, the blind people really deserve
> >> government'
> >>>> proper estimation of the situation. thanks.
> >>>> is Dr. Rakesh Jain
> >>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900
> >>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900
> >>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345
> >>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Pranav Lal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 5:42 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Kiran,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My concern with consessions is that if the government pays for them
> >>>> then
> >>>>> this will translate into higher taxes. For the private sector, it
> >>>>> translates
> >>>>> into a loss so I am unsure whether consessions are viable in the
> >> first
> >>>>> place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pranav
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja,
> >>>> Kiran
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:23 AM
> >>>>> To: [email protected]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think my original point is diluted. I never said concessions
> >> should
> >>>>> not be provided. Instead, if you all read my original mail on this
> >>>>> topic, I mention that concessions cannot be done away with no
> > matter
> >>>> how
> >>>>> good the facilities are. My original point is who needs to pay for
> >>>> these
> >>>>> concessions. Does the government have to pay for them or the
> > service
> >>>>> providers and manufacturers of goods and services which are private
> >>>>> companies. Also, which of the methods is desirable for us
> > consumers.
> >>>> If
> >>>>> the government decides and pays for the concessions, we need not
> >>>> request
> >>>>> or demand any private company to provide them and be at their
> > mercy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Kiran.
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sameer
> >>>>> latey
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 11:10 AM
> >>>>> To: [email protected]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Friends,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Only those blind individuals who are earning enough
> >>>>> to have to pay tax can take advantage of the tax
> >>>>> concessions like Section 80U.
> >>>>> 2. Most of the blind individuals are residing in the
> >>>>> rural areas and do not earn enough to pay taxes.
> >>>>> 3. It is these people who require concessions and
> >>>>> therefore concessions are required.
> >>>>> 4. I agree that we must not demand concessions as a
> >>>>> matter of right but as a tool to even the playing
> >>>>> field.
> >>>>> 5. At the same time, we must be vigilant to ensure
> >>>>> that the concessions granted are implemented and not
> >>>>> merely paper proposals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Sameer
> >>>>> --- Dr Rakesh Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> don't you think that concessions are meant for
> >>>>>> masses and not for classes
> >>>>>> like some of us who can really afford to manage
> >>>>>> without concessions and if
> >>>>>> we start a discussion that leads to a concession
> >>>>>> free world; we are going to
> >>>>>> cause a big loss to our less fortunate brotherens!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain
> >>>>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900
> >>>>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900
> >>>>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345
> >>>>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:28 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > same here.
> >>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>> > To: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >>>>>> > <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:18 PM
> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >>i received three copies of this message.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> >> From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:53 PM
> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> Dear Kiran,
> >>>>>> >>> How do we justify that VIPs should be extended
> >>>>>> various tax concessions
> >>>>>> >>> in
> >>>>>> >>> the backdrop of the argument that government
> >>>>>> should fund our concessions
> >>>>>> >>> from its tax collections? Doesn't it become
> >>>>>> double counting? On one
> >>>>>> >>> hand,
> >>>>>> >> we
> >>>>>> >>> are asking for concessions in the charges for
> >>>>>> various services and also
> >>>>>> >> the
> >>>>>> >>> same in taxes, from where, the government has to
> >>>>>> fund such concessions?
> >>>>>> >>> I
> >>>>>> >> am
> >>>>>> >>> only asking for the reaction of AI members, as
> >>>>>> this issue will come up
> >>>>>> >>> sooner or later.
> >>>>>> >>> regards
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> >>> From: "Subramani L"
> >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>> >>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:33 AM
> >>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Who should pay for
> >>>>>> concessions?
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> > Kiran:
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > This's what I exactly argue in my Ph.D thesis.
> >>>>>> Your point makes
> >>>>>> >>> > perfect
> >>>>>> >>> > sense.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > Subramani
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of Kiran
> >>>>>> >>> > Kaja
> >>>>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:34 PM
> >>>>>> >>> > To: [email protected]
> >>>>>> >>> > Subject: [AI] Who should pay for concessions?
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > ***********************
> >>>>>> >>> > No virus was detected in the attachment no
> >>>>>> filename
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> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > Hi all,
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > Having followed the thread on DGCA guidelines
> >>>>>> and the subsequent
> >>>>>> >>> > discussion
> >>>>>> >>> > of concessions for the blind or escorts, I
> >>>>>> have been thinking about it
> >>>>>> >>> > for a
> >>>>>> >>> > couple of days.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > I feel that in our country, the existence of
> >>>>>> public sector in
> >>>>>> >>> > businesses
> >>>>>> >>> > like transport and education has benifitted
> >>>>>> persons with blindness. If
> >>>>>> >>> > all
> >>>>>> >>> > the industry and utility services were run by
> >>>>>> private firms, I don't
> >>>>>> >>> > imagine
> >>>>>> >>> > they would come forward with so many
> >>>>>> concessions and exemptions for
> >>>>>> >>> > us.
> >>>>>> >>> > Providing concessions is much simpler for
> >>>>>> public sector or government.
> >>>>>> >>> > However, this raises a big question of who
> >>>>>> should eventually pay for
> >>>>>> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >>> > concessions?
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > As citizens of the country, we are entitled to
> >>>>>> lead a life which
> >>>>>> >>> > closely
> >>>>>> >>> > resembles a sighted or normal person who
> >>>>>> doesn't have a disability.
> >>>>>> >>> > This
> >>>>>> >>> > obviously entails extra expenditure because of
> >>>>>> various reasons. To
> >>>>>> >>> > offset
> >>>>>> >>> > this additional cost, concessions and
> >>>>>> exemptions are provided. I
> >>>>>> >>> > strongly
> >>>>>> >>> > feel that since the government collects taxes
> >>>>>> from individuals as well
> >>>>>> >>> > as
> >>>>>> >>> > businesses in the private sector, it should be
> >>>>>> the one paying for
> >>>>>> >>> > these
> >>>>>> >>> > concessions. If the Railways were privatised,
> >>>>>> the cost of providing
> >>>>>> >>> > concession to blind persons should be born by
> >>>>>> the government and not
> >>>>>> >>> > by
> >>>>>> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >>> > private company which runs the railways. If a
> >>>>>> private company
> >>>>>> >>> > voluntarily
> >>>>>> >>> > comes forward with concessions, it is a very
> >>>>>> good gesture on their
> >>>>>> >>> > part.
> >>>>>> >>> > But
> >>>>>> >>> > if concessions are imposed by law, the cost of
> >>>>>> these concessions
> >>>>>> >>> > should
> >>>>>> >>> > be
> >>>>>> >>> > reimbursed.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > For instance, when most of the other
> >>>>>> passengers of airlines were
> >>>>>> >>> > paying
> >>>>>> >>> > full
> >>>>>> >>> > fair for their tickets, blind persons were
> >>>>>> only paying half. If we put
> >>>>>> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >>> > social argument of concession aside for a
> >>>>>> while, the airline company
> >>>>>> >>> > was
> >>>>>> >>> > loozing money by carrying blind passengers.
> >>>>>> The airline company in
> >>>>>> >>> > question
> >>>>>> >>> > also pays the same tax irrespective of
> >>>>>> offering concessions. So, there
> >>>>>> >>> > is no
> >>>>>> >>> > insentive at all for the airline company by
> >>>>>> carrying blind passengers.
> >>>>>> >>> > On
> >>>>>> >>> > the contrary, the company gets less money.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > I think it is the responsibility of the
> >>>>>> government to provide or pay
> >>>>>> >>> > for
> >>>>>> >>> > the
> >>>>>> >>> > concessions as they should look after the
> >>>>>> welfare of its citizens.
> >>>>>> >>> > Private
> >>>>>> >>> > companies or public sector companies for that
> >>>>>> matter should never be
> >>>>>> >>> > forced
> >>>>>> >>> > to bear the cost of concessions.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > What do you all think about this? I know this
> >>>>>> is never going to happen
> >>>>>> >>> > in
> >>>>>> >>> > India.
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > Regards,
> >>>>>> >>> > Kiran.
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