I think, this discussion takes nowhere. follow the norms or leave the group if you do not agree to the guidelines. Regards.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself >I feel this person must be expelled from the group. As Kiran said, > democracy doesn't mean anarchy or disregard for rules. I dislike the > language of the person in question. He certainly can't think he thinks > or does more than what we are capable of thinking or doing for > ourselves. > > BTW, Kiran, don't know if this mail can be directly sent to the list. > Since you have asked us to comment on this, I thought I can as well do > on the list. I and surely many others have complete faith in your > moderation and I feel you have responded the most appropriate way in > this case. > > Subramani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kiran Kaja > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan MSS. > *********************** > > > Dear list members, > > Over the past five years or so of AccessIndia's existence, I have had to > painfully moderate a lot of discussions on the list. Sometimes I had to > use > strong language to desist people from starting strong arguments on why a > topic should or should not be discussed on the list. So far, most of you > did > not have any problem with my attitude towards running the list. But from > my > e-mail below, I get a feeling that some of you were not happy with the > way I > handled the motivational mumbo jumbo. Yes, I still insist that it is > mumbo > jumbo. How many of use haven't received such e-mails daily in our inbox? > If > Onkar wants, I can spam his mailbox with mumbo jumbo like this till he > stops > checking his e-mail out of frustration. > > But I understand from Onkar's mail that some of us or at least one of us > is > not happy with the way the issue is handled. If any of you think like > that, > please let me know immediately. I have always administered the list on > majority opinion and all good suggestions from each and every member > have > been implemented if found useful and relevant. I appreciate people > telling > me openly if they have any concerns. I hate those who say things behind > my > back. > > Yes Onkar, India is a Democracy. But it is no where mentioned that > democracy > means unlimited freedom. If so, you should not be punished or fined for > driving your car on the wrong side of the road or walking in the middle > of > one. In democracy, you are supposed to adhere to certain rules and > regulations to obtain your freedom. Like other democratic institutions, > AccessIndia too has a set of rules and guidelines which have been sent > to > you when you joined the list. When you do not follow these rules and > regulations, you will of course be intimated and necessary action will > be > taken. Please refer to the exact definition of Democracy before > commenting > on it. > > I have already put forward my view on the language that I use in my > moderated mails. One can't argue when one has violated the regulations. > > Yes Onkar, you are an ignorent person in your own way. I am sorry to say > this but you do not realize the true potential and abilities and needs > of > the visually impaired persons. All your mails indicate that you lack > proper > understanding of what some of us have achieved already. Your helping > hand is > appreciated but not your high handedness. We may use your technology if > it > is good. It doesn't mean that you are the only savier of the blind in > the > entire world. To hell with it, you are much far from it in your actions > as > well as thinking. > > I am sorry again to say that you are totally blind and not our > community. We > clearly know what our abilities are. We clearly know how to help each > other > and we clearly know how to use technology and words for our benefits. We > have seen the light of the day. It is people like you who lack vision. > To > give you an example, Dinesh Kaushal has contirbuted to the development > of a > free screen reader which can potentially help blind persons get jobs and > earn money. Numerous organizations have toiled decades to provide access > to > books and education. What have you done so far except some technical > mumbo > jumbo the concepts of which have been copied from somewhere anyway. > Seeing > with sound project has been existing from years now. If you think you > can > eradicate blindness through projects like this, you better go and look > for > another job. You are no fit serving in the blindness community > influencing > other ignorent people with your ignorence. > > As per your braille embosser idea, it sounds good but I would like > organizations to be using it before I can comment on it. But if it is so > simple, why are people paying thousands of dollars for braille > embossers. I > am tired of projects like these. You should start talking once you have > a > good working model that really works. > > Games are good but this is no new idea. Games for the blind have been > existing for so many years. And there are free ones too. While I > appreciate > the effort you put in for developing the games, I don't agree that games > have started with you. > > I don't care who helped you create these projects or the number of > people > involved. I don't care how many sleepness nights you put in to create > them. > You are not the only one who puts in sleepless nights. There are a lot > of us > who work harder than you. But we are not so mean to say that since we > have > put in sleepless nights, the technology is great or people should use > it. > > All of the other stuff you write in your e-mail is pure crap. You should > really start doing something that benefits us rather than sending mumbo > jumbo and writing all sort of idiotic crap. > > And to all who read this, if you do not like the way I run the list or > how I > moderate messages and if the majority thinks I am wrong, I am happy to > make > someone else the moderator. But if that is the case, I won't pay for the > running of the list or the feature rich accessindia website that is > being > designed as I write this. > > This topic is open for discussion. > > Thanks and regards, > Kiran. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar Nisal > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Promise Yourself > > Dear Group, > > Its been an amazing experience being with you all! > I have never had such respect, care, attention and love from you all > > Thank you so very much! each and every one of you! > > YES YOU TOO !! > > I am extremely sorry to disturb you with my motivational mumbo jumbo! > Hahahaha! I loved the term! fantastic! Thank you Mr Kaja. > > If you might have forgotten, let me be previlldged to remind you that we > live in democratic country and every one has right to express...and just > like our very own dear Mr Kiran Kaja had a right to speak whatever cute > things he wanted to speak, I too have to do the same and I shall > exercise it > with out any fear or regrets what so ever! > > So I am jolly well ignoring an extremely pleasing request of Mr Kaja of > not > replying to his splendid email! I mean how can I demean and disrespect > that > email with an reply!? > NO chance at all! > > I would like to really applaud to the language and way of putting forth > things by Mr Kaja and ofcourse so enthusiastic participation of the > entire > group! I am sure your group will go places... and be the best in the > world! > Surely! > > I believe it would be quite embarrasing for all of the highly > intelligent > and respected members to have an ignorant and simple person like me > talking > in the group. Right? > > Thus to save all the trouble which all the esteeemed members of this > community must surely might of been facing while I was making a futile > attempt to extend a helping hand in various ways.. I will no longer > write in > this group. (but I will definitely not be mute with out saying what I > have > to say!) > > I crazily though that I could share the goodness of life, words, > technology > which are so very inseprable from each other. But thanks to Mr Kaja.. I >am > brutally shaken to reality of the fact that how this community is indeed > blind in many apects of life.. not just to light or colors! > > ( I did see what an amazing response we people have given to > technological > posts... which was the reason I joined this community! Mind blowing! its > really very encouraging!!! > each and every person in the community replied to the games post that Ms > Mamta has submitted! I would really like to extend my personal thanks to > each and every one of you! thank you thank you so very much for trying > out > those games which I personally made staying up late in nights for hours > together! I thought my efforts were all drained down the lane.. but you > saved me from feeling this void! so kind of you! yes each one of you! > thank > you!!! a personal thank you!) > > Well I now understand how stupid I am! > I am sorry i wasted so much of YOUR ultra precious time!! > > Some people had wisely told me to keep away from AI. > But like a fool I wanted to give every one a chance. > > one my dear friend specially called me up after reading reply to my post > and > told me to forget caring about 'Indian' people. ( I believe that is the > only > another different person in this group!) > > Any way, some how I have a feeling that with a heavy heart I have to > accept > this reality that we Indians indeed do not care about each other .. > especially about their feelings! > > (Just take this email for example! do I care about you or your > feelings!? > Not really! Thats why I said WE Indians and wrote one of the most > sarcastic > emails of my life! ) > > > Thanks a lot for letting a useless person like me be part of AI. > I mean so what I written a software that can convert english text > directly > to braille which can be printed on simple dot matrix printer which can > work > as braille embosser! > who cares? > > so what if I have personally conducted mroe than 300+ experiments to > achieve > this, so what if I have spend many a sleep less nights toiling to create > an > algorithm to convert coloured digital images to sound. so what if mroe > than > 500 people are helping me with this project globally? so what if this > project has potential to eradicate blindness from earth? so what if a > special hardware is being build to achieve this feat in less than 10$ > (500 > Rs) of manufacturing cost? > > My friend Anjali beautifully explained to me how most of us (i.e. > we Indians) usually think! > [ofcourse our group is NOT included in these 'most of us' ] > > Here it is: > > Are the americans or british people praising the invention? no we dont > trust ourselvess! > we were slaves to British people... we will continute to do so! thats > basically our motto of life! thats why we will not accept it nor we will > support it neither will be take interest in it untill our masters.. i.e. > british or american people praises it.. and puts a price tag that is far > out > of reach of most elite people too... and when that happens.. we can sit > and > cry and beg for help! > > some one doing the same for free!?? then that must be not worth it! > we are typical Indian!! We would rather beg! and we are proud of it! > > why should we care about a fellow indian who left a very lucarative > occupation and working day in and day out like a maniac for so called > good > of man kind! > > Totally idiot person he is! isnt he!? > > Right! > > Jai Hind! > > Its amazing being with you all ! > > Thank you! > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for taking time to read this email. > > I better be off to help the Visually challenged people outside India who > are > not as intelligent, kind,helping, participative, accepting, charming, > cheerful, welcoming, EXTREMELY understanding, co-operative, sweet, jolly > souls as most of us here are! > > All the best and May God bless us all with affluence and abundance of > everything that we want! > > Cheers > Omeee > :) > > > > > > > On 8/12/06, Kiran Kaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi Onkar, >> >> This group is only for discussing accessibility and access technology > >> or other issues which influence persons with blindness. We don't need >> any motivation mumbo jumbo. There are enough places to get stuff like >> these and all our members know how to do it. Please send messages >> relevant to the topics permitted on the list. Please do not reply to >> this mail or answer me. >> Just do not forward such stuff. That's all. Thanks for your > cooperation. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omkar >> Nisal >> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:05 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [AI] Promise Yourself >> >> * Promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace > >> of mind. >> >> To talk health, happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet. >> >> To make all your friends feel like there is something in them. >> >> To look at the sunny side of everything and make your optimism come > true. >> >> To think only of the best, to work only for the best, and expect only >> the best. >> >> To be just as enthusiastic about the success of others as you are >> about your own. >> >> To forget the mistakes of the past and press on the greater >> achievements of the future. >> >> To wear a cheerful countenance at all times and give every living >> person you meet a smile. >> >> To give so much time to the improvement of yourself that you have no >> time to criticize others. >> >> To be too large for worry, too noble for anger and too strong for >> fear, and to happy to permit the presence of trouble. >> >> * >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> .in >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >> .in >> > > > > -- > > > http://auxel.blogspot.com/ <-- Project to make Free Software for Blind > people to percieve coloured images! > > http://omkarsmiles.blogspot.com/ <--- my photo album online! 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