I am in total agreement with tara and am very happy to read such strong and assertive coments.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 Taraprakash wrote : >Very true sir. > >It is so surprising that we have apologists for mainstream and IIM's amongst >us. Reservation is primarily needed to bring social justice and give the >forgotten and neglected ones their well deserved right. >Let me remind the list of a case in bihar when an SC candidate got just one >mark out of 500 in a pre-medical test and he got through. No doubt there >were concerns against such practice, but then their legitimacy is again a >moot point. > >Here the question is that of a girl who has done quite well in the exam. and >medical profession should have been much discriminatory (thinking from the >perspective of the champions of so called propriety), than management where >you are taught to ... well, whatever. > >. >Let me also answer Asif's mail and request people not to get deluded by such >mendacious claims as, "we don't find suitable candidates." Let us read >suitable as sighted. The suitability criteria is one of the oldest ploy and >very suitable for these institutions. The Reservation should be considered >literally and applied properly. Out of 1200 seats 12 should be "reserved" >for the visually challenged. Reserved means that no one else should get >admissions on those seats. If no visually challenged available, "no suitable >candidate" as they put it, then those seats should be kept vacant under the >law. Once that thing is clear to them, all the candidates will be suitable. >In all such institutes like IIM there are seats reserved for Foreign >students and in their case "suitability" does not matter much, as also in >the case of quota seats. What matters is money. > >Let me also add that just because some visually challenged candidates were >accepted in a particular institute in the past, does not mean that the >acceptability level will not go down. The policy have changed with the >managements. And as the reservation for OBC's is strictly imposed, there >will be reduction everywhere in the acceptability of the differently abled. > >The managements will definitely like to have control on some seats. Visually >challenged being the softest targets, they will be the worst sufferers. The >organizations must get ready for the battles to come. There is another cause >for concern. The Supreme Court has always maintained that the reservation >cannot cross 50% limit. After the reservation for OBC's becomes applicable, >how is the government going to reconcile with this problem is anybody's >guess. (on this particular matter, those with legal knowledge might correct >me). > >Coming to an earlier mail by Subramani. IIm Bangalore, like many other >institutes, might be under an illusion that 3 % seats should be reserved for >differently abled. They perhaps need to be told how the reservation is >distributed among various categories. And always remember, first seat goes >to visually challenged. Now if you read the PWD act, it would seem to be >applicable only to the jobs not in the institutes of higher/lower learning, >but the court has made it clear that it also applies to the latter case. > >Another thing. Do file a complaint in the office of commissioner of >disabilities. But do not trust the office too much for action. It will neet >to be done at individual level. The commission is a toothless body. >Moreover, in the past we have found from a former employee of the commission >that the current commisioner is not favorable to the blind. >The latest example to prove my point is a case where I myself and Mr. Nikhil >Jain, Sambhavana president, had a long and not so friendly argument with the >commissioner on his ruling on case we filed in the office. Our >interpretation of the PWD act happened to be different from his. I told him >on his face that we are not satisfied and we will go to court. Some of the >individuals pooled in resources and did go to court, won the case. As far as >I remember the court also passed strictures against the commission, even >though we did not make commission a party to the case. > >coming now to Vaishnavi's case. She, and whoever talks on her behalf, must >talk tough, file in a complaint in the commissioner of disabilities office, >also write to HRD ministry. Read the PWD act and related cases properly, ask >for information under the RTI act. Tell them repeatedly that 12 seats are >reserved only and only for visually challenged. And first reserved seat >belongs to the visually challenged no matter what the IIM and its apologists >think, she must get the admission. > >All the best > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: "srmittal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:23 PM >Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > > > > dear madam. > > There is no question of surpassing the meritorious candidates. When a > > seatr > > is reserved for a particular catagory of student the aspirants of that > > catagory has got highest marks which are 10 percent less no body can do > > anything the candidate under the reserved catagory has to get the admition > > even if he is surpassing 15000 meritorious candidates simply because the > > seat is reserved for a particular catagory and he is the in that catagory. > > Rgds Mittal. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > > > > > >> The point that we need to consider here is that even if the cut off score > >> for reservation candidates is slightly lower than the general cut off > >> score, > >> it cannot possibly be ten percentile less. This would mean bypassing a > >> huge > >> number (about 15000) of general merit candidates, and the institute may > >> not > >> wish to do this. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Anjali Arora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "srmittal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > >> > >> > >> there are a couple of things/ principles that apply to this case: > >> 1. when the admission is on merit, then reservation is given on the > >> basis > >> of the merit list; > >> so if there are other blind, with higher pc, they will have preference > >> over > >> her for filling reserved seats. > >> > >> 2. there still is the ambiguity as to the cut off for reserved > >> categories. > >> while for SC St the cut off is lesser than the general candidates. but > >> for > >> PH no such uniformity is evidenced except for traditional courses/ > >> professions or those which are known widely to the community in their > >> subjective wisdom as most suitable for blind. > >> in cases of new areas like IAS and other services, it has come to happen > >> only because of strong lobbying. in unattended fields it continues to be > >> implemented in their own wisdom/ discretion. > >> > >> apply these principles to her case and evaluate her chances in this > >> background. > >> Hope this was not too legalistic and confusing. > >> > >> Anjali > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "srmittal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 07:40 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > >> > >> > >>>I feel that the court may take cognizence of the fact that the cout off > >>> point for visually impaired candidates can not be the same as that of > >>> the > >>> nondisabled candidates. If, the cut off point has to be the same then > >>> there > >>> is no meaning of any reservation. > >>> Rgds Mittal. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:20 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi Rajesh and others, > >>>> > >>>> The cut off score to get into IIM Bangalore this year is 99 percentile. > >>>> Reservation or no reservation, > >>>> I am afraid she does not stand a chance. > >>>> Moving the courts would therefore not serve any purpose. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "rajesh asudani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:14 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] girl needs help > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Well, no less than a writ petition in high court would help! > >>>> > >>>> I do not know the cut-off score in CAT for admissions for IIM > >>>> bangalore, > >>>> but > >>>> question of reserved seats does not arise when a candidate qualifies in > >>>> general merit list and 89. something percent marks are not every tom > >>>> dic > >>>> and > >>>> harry can get in CAT, right? > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:31 PM > >>>> Subject: [AI] girl needs help > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> (I forgot to change the subject in my last mail. Sorry for that. > >>>>> Here's > >>>>> the message with the changed subject line) > >>>>> > >>>>> Folks: > >>>>> > >>>>> Today, I received the information that Vaishnavi, a visually > >>>>> challenged > >>>>> girl, who has secured 89.5 pc in her CAT examination was denied > >>>>> admission in IIM-Bangalore. The reason for rejecting her application > >>>>> was > >>>>> apparently the quota for VI were filled up. > >>>>> > >>>>> It seems the IIM has 1200 seats and if the 3pc reservations for the > >>>>> PWD's and 1 pc reservation for the VI are applied, there should have > >>>>> been 12 seats allotted for VI candidates. The IIM is apparently not > >>>>> transparent about the status of these seats, apart from telling these > >>>>> seats are filled, there is no information about the criteria applied > >>>>> to > >>>>> fill them. I was told that even the IIM's website is very dodgy about > >>>>> this. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, I would like to find out how this girl can be helped? As you all > >>>>> know time is running out and something needs to be done immediately. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your suggestions are welcomed. I would appreciate if the MBA graduates > >>>>> of our group could help this girl. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regarding IIM, will it help moving the CCPD in the matter and ask the > >>>>> commissioner to demand transparency in information on reserved seats? > >>>>> Pl > >>>>> let me know. > >>>>> > >>>>> Subramani > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of firoz > >>>>> pathan > >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:47 AM > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Configuring script files > >>>>> > >>>>> hello moderator > >>>>> i am doing same way as you mention for winam script > >>>>> but when i open jss file it prompt which programm i have to select to > >>>>> open > >>>>> even on pressing controll s also winem script do not read > >>>>> please help me > >>>>> thanks > >>>>> firoz > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:50 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Configuring script files > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Fayaz, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The answer really depends on what version of Jaws you are using. 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