Hi Vipin / Smriti and others I kept myself off from this thread, as I did not mean to influence the topic with my duel role of the list administrator and list member.
Now, I am chipping in as a list member. Firstly we should clearly realize is Annubuti's firm is a private and professional body. We have no business to dictate to her what she should do or should not. In my opinion the discussion should be directed to the Special employment exchange who are not bringing this jobs to the knowledge of the blind job seekers. The special employement exchange is run by public funds and they are certainly responsible to the public. Harish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Vipin Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - South Delhi Dear Friends, Let us not detract ourselves from the original issue that the recruitment process in the public sector or the State should be fairly proceeded with. There should be equality of opportunity, while applying for a specific post where directly or indirectly government is involved . As I earlier explained, that the salary of employee is paid out of the funds from ex chequer raised from the taxes imposed on public. it is the hard earned money of the people at large. Here everyone has the right to put forward his candidature without any mediation and with equality of opportunity. I have failed to understand still, why in higher academic institutions, there is no transparency and fair play in the case of appointments. If Anubhooti genuinely wants to help the PCPs than what she could do is: 1. She could provide information to the PCPs about the advertisement of vacancies related to them in accordence with their needs. 2. She could reproduce the advertised vacancies in national and local dailies on her website. 3. If she wants to make some earning out of it, in that case, she could charge the persons concerned by delivering a news letter to this effect periodically or on daily bases. There is no harm in such a state of affair. But if some one starts as a mediator between the government recruitment process and the aspiring candidates. Then, it could have serious repercussions, which even a person with ordinary intelegence could well perceive. In the case of Gargi college without even a single advertisement the person was recruited without giving an equal opportunity to other candidates. May be the recruited person is the best academically but chance should have been given to other aligible personss too. So the issue is not against any body or body of persons rather it is related to our larger rights which we have achieved with great struggles over the years. We should not let it go as a matter of convenience in the form of petty gains at the cost of community interest. Hope I am able to clarify most of the aspects of the controversy. NO one should be shocked and no one should quit from this group due to the reasonable concerns of the enlightened members. Short temprament and intolerent attitude are bound to harm the whole community irrepairablly. Let us visualise the processes of life with reasons. This is the only way where we could make ourselves consoled and comfortable. With love and regards, Vip Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra President, Delhi University Physically Challenged Teachers' Association (DUPHCHTA), Reader, Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College, Delhi University <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile: +91-9868-177-335. Email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Skype Id. vipin.malhotra ----- Original Message ----- From: "rajesh asudani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - South Delhi > It is not a universal law that all services to the disabled should be > rendered in a voluntary manner. Anubhuti, in my opinion, is running a HR > firm and she also takes into account job opening for the disabled, so if > you > wish to take advantage of her services, do go through proper channel. > > Tell me in the first place why Anubhuti should mention the opening in the > first place, let alone tell the name of the college? > > HR Consultancy is a profession and people desirous of benefiting by it > must > have the courtesy to offer the required consideration for the services. > > The advertisement, as has been mentioned, was placed in Hindustan times, > and > one can get the name of college, if one wants. This was additional > channel, > and why should a recruitment firm be presumed to be a voluntary agency > helping the disabled by going out of its way? It is more than enough if > the > firm takes cognizance of the disabled and goes out of its way to publish > any > requisition which in its opinion may be useful to the disabled in general, > and there is no prejudice if such a agency routes the applicants through > it. > > I am afraid I am not going to waste my time by further replying in this > thread! > > Regards > > Rajesh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shobhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - > South Delhi > > > But it does not mean anything which have no transparency will be accepted. > If any of the person wants to work for the disabled he or she must be very > transparent. > If Anubhuti would have given name of the College then any of us could > apply > ourself. Why do we need to send our resumes to Anubhuti. > Therefore, it cannot be justified by any means. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Prashant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - > South Delhi > > > Hello Accessindia > I have checked my mail after a while & I am shocked to see the response to > my forwarded message. > I had forwarded this message hoping that it might benifit someone; some > eligible candidates will get information about a job opening. > However, the response of some members has been extremely disappointing. > Anubhuti has done great work in the last year or so. Ask those who have > got > employment in companies like IBM, jobs which they would have never got > themselves. > As it is there aren't enough employment opportunities for us and there are > even fewer agencies which are doing meaningful work for promoting > employability of VI. > Our group has certainly discouraged Anubhuti who has left a bright career > with GE to work for visually impaired persons. > > No wonder why our mailing list is losing readers day by day. > > Prashant > BTW: This opening was advertised earlier in Hindustan Times. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rahul Kelapure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - > South Delhi > > > hi > > friends i dont understand why we r wasting our energy on such paty > issues as this. > first of all we should understand that ultimately some of us is going > to get the benifits through employment, how many conseltency firms > even consider pwds for placement? further more it is just the normal > practice that placement agencies do not genrally disclose their > clients name. > anubhuti is trying to convince the people and follow the potential > employers for placement of pwds. > in the process if she earns some money whats wrong in that? she would > also need to run her office. and otherwise also she is giving us > proffessional service and profits if earn is very wel within the rules > of the genral practices of the semelar nature, > friends ultimately none other than us will b at loosing side. > those who r rasing objections, r they the needy or elegible persons? > why did u not write ur objections privately? why dont u want to c the > positive side of it is it nesecery to look for faults always? > since anubhuti has gave an answer which is satisfactory to a large > extent as i feel we should close the argument as their r so many more > important matters to b discussed on this forum. > this group is ment to b helpful for all of us so pls my friends do not > make this forum a grave yard for our selves. > let this forum b problem solving forum and not problem creater. > > > On 6/10/07, Viraj Kafle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello sir, >> >> Just wondering how you don't see any fault in such a notice. In the first >> place, can we even call it an advertisement? No college name has been >> mentioned and one wonders whether the college even advertised a post! One >> has every reason to assume that it is nothing but some sort of hobnobbing >> between the institution and the consultancy. What procedure can one >> expect >> from such a non-transparent formula that has been laid out in this >> notice? >> And, if we dismiss this issue as an unnecessary one, will it be really >> those >> eligible candidates who want employment and financial independence who >> will >> reap the benifit, Or those select few who are probably the favoured ones >> of >> such a hobnobbing? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - >> South Delhi >> >> >> Friends: >> >> Let me not be a part of this argument, but finish with a few points I >> need >> to add. >> >> We must understand that employment of the disabled is important and only >> a >> very few agencies come to our support in this crucial issue. As someone >> from >> the media, who also know a bit about how professional recruiters work, I >> don't find any faults with the way this job advertisement was placed. As >> is >> mentioned, there are well set out procedures to be followed and we can't >> find fault with such procedures. Imagine who are the losers in this >> unnecessary issue? Certainly not the very well placed amongst us, but >> those >> who are searching for employment and a decent money and financial >> independence. I think we have missed to provide such an opportunity to >> such >> members. >> >> Subramani >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anubhuti >> Mittal >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - >> South Delhi >> >> *********************** >> No virus was detected in the attachment no filename >> >> Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >> ***********-*********** >> >> >> Dear Members ... >> >> Pardon me for marking this mail to all ....but I thought there may be >> people who would have similar questions , hence, it was important to >> reach >> out to all . >> With my limited intelligence levels , I am unable to understand the >> motive >> behind the issues raised by the more enlightened members of this forum >> ....They say >> >> a) "This is the third time such a vacancy has been posted .....even >> subjects are more or less the same." ...... Is the number of times a >> vacancy is posted an issue ? >> >> b) "shocking to realise the utter lack of transparency in such >> notices" >> ... we have a standard process of releasing / advertising vacancies and >> do >> not differentiate between private /public/NGO/self employment or any such >> category . If someone has a problem with our processes, too bad ..we >> can't >> help it . >> >> c) "Nor do i see any logic whatsoever behind the manner in which the >> Consultancy, in these cases, is insisting on being a mediator between >> the >> college and the applicants." ....The logic my friend, is very simple... >> to >> reach out to as many eligible candidates as possible, so that they get >> the >> benefit ... no hidden motive ... probably you missed this very obvious >> logic because you were busy trying to figure out a more ulterior / >> clandestine logic where none existed . >> >> d) "In a job like this, needless to say, we have a well laid out >> procedure >> in which the institution advertises and the applicants apply and appear >> for >> the interview, rather than sending his/her resumés to any NGO or >> consultancy." . Nowhere in the email have I asked candidates not to send >> their candidature against similar vacancies advertised in other sources >> and >> route their CVs only to us. The institutes know better than us and I know >> for a fact , are advertising as per the requirements etc .... but I see >> no >> harm in case they are trying to increase the # of relevant resumes >> against >> an open position . >> >> I am amazed and appalled at the level of arguments raised ... it is >> quite >> painful to note that we have people within our community who miss the >> bigger >> picture and insist on spending time and energy on irrelevant and petty >> issues Everyone has the right to put their point across ... but isnt it >> possible to do so in the manner of a healthy discussion rather than >> presuming foul play and documenting accusations ...We do not claim to be >> doing anything great ... our efforts are at a very small scale .. the >> idea >> is only and only to contribute to the cause of employability of people >> with >> disabilities. >> >> I refuse to be part of any forum which has members with such petty , >> parochial outlook ....and am, hence , withdrawing with immediate effect >> . >> >> Wishing You All the Very Best >> Regards >> Anubhuti >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Ashwani Jassal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes sir >> I am also agree with you. This kind of act has been taken place prior to >> this. one appointment has been made in the Gargi college through this >> mean. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Vipin Malhotra" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:50 HAPPS >> Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - English,Hindi and Commerce - >> South Delhi >> >> >> I am also really concerned. Why not to have >> transparency? The job is not >> related to any private sector. >> Vip >> >> >> Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra >> President, >> Delhi University Physically Challenged Teachers' >> Association (DUPHCHTA), >> Reader, >> Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College, >> Delhi University >> >> Mobile: +91-9868-177-335. >> Email: >> >> Skype Id. vipin.malhotra >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Viraj Kafle" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Fw: VACANCY - Lecturers - >> English,Hindi and Commerce - >> South Delhi >> >> >> > It is I guess for the third time a notice like this >> has been posted in >> > Access India. Everytime it is mentioned that some >> "prominent" college >> > is looking for employers, but no college name has >> been given. >> > Interestingly, everytime the college happens to be >> in South Delhi and, >> > if my memory serves me right, even subjects are more >> or less the same. >> > >> > While it is great to know that there are NGOs and >> Consultancies >> > devoted to the cause and requirements of the >> visually challenged >> > people, it is, however, shocking to realise the >> utter lack of >> > transparency in such notices. Given the fact that >> the job is not that >> > of the corporate sector, I don't see any reason for >> not mentioning the >> > college name or for not giving the advertisement in >> full detail, as >> > they are supposed to be given. Nor do i see any >> logic whatsoever >> > behind the manner in which the Consultancy, in these >> cases, is >> > insisting on being a mediator between the college >> and the applicants. >> > In a job like this, needless to say, we have a well >> laid out procedure >> > in which the institution advertises and the >> applicants apply and >> > appear for the interview, rather than sending >> his/her resumés to any >> > NGO or consultancy. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 6/8/07, Prashant >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Prashant Ranjan Verma >> >> Project Manager >> >> National Association for the Blind >> >> Sec-5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi- 22 India >> >> Website: www.nabdelhi.org >> >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Office Phone: +91 11 26102944 >> >> >> >> International Trainer for DAISY DTB Production >> >> Moderator DFAResource mailing list >> >> www.daisy-for-all.org >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Anubhuti Mittal >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >> viue ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ; >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:20 PM >> >> Subject: VACANCY - Lecturers - English, Hindi and >> Commerce - South Delhi >> >> >> >> >> >> Our Client, a prominent College ( affiliated >> to Delhi University ) >> >> in >> >> South Delhi is urgently looking for lecturers in >> English, Hindi and >> >> Commerce >> >> >> >> Minimum Eligibility Criteria - MA with UGC Net >> qualified or PhD or >> >> Mphil >> >> Degree Holder >> >> >> >> Disability - All types of physical disabiliies >> are welcome >> >> >> >> Salary - As per UGC norms >> >> >> >> Interested candidates should send out their >> detailed CVs immediately to >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and can also get in touch with >> me at +91-9311607754 >> >> in >> >> case of any queries etc >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Anubhuti >> >> www.anubhuti.biz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks >> >> Anubhuti >> >> +91-9311607754 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks >> >> Anubhuti >> >> +91-9311607754 >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> with >> >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, >> >> please >> >> visit the list home page at >> >> >> >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make >> any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ >> Sick sense of humor? 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