The points are well-taken. However, I was talking about the measures of "extreme independence" only, like deliberately crossing a hyper-busy road alone, or in this case, attempting to operate an ATM without any feedback merely by memorizing sequence.
Remember, memory is a dangerous master, and it does not take a hundred accidents...... I am not against independent living, and even measures of extreme independence have to be adopted, but as a way of last resort and not as preferred choices, as they do involve an undeniable amount of risk. Imagine, an ATM card being stuck in the machine, or machine giving a slip with wrong balance, or being hit by a speeding vehicle, then, trust or not, a lonely blind person will have to call out to every tom dic and Harry! Regards Rajesh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dinesh Kaushal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Banks-Volunteers > Hey Rajesh, > > Case of living-alone blind is not unusual, many of my friends are in deed > living alone, and when I was living alone in hyderabad, I did feel the > need > of such facilities. > > I can ask for assistance for everything, but in case of money matters, I > would like to keep it to myself. ATM system may generate balance slip, > which > can be read by the person with whom one is visiting the ATM machine. > > When I was in banglore, I had someone whom I could trust, but one is not > so > luckky to get a person whom you can trust everywhere. > > Also ability to do as much as possible independently will help to increase > mobility of blind persons, which is required for many professions, and if > we > want more and more people with blindness to get involved in the society > positively, we have to pay our dues before asking for more. > > Regards > Dinesh > > Regards > Dinesh Kaushal > > blog at > dineshkaushal.blogspot.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh > Asudani > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] Banks-Volunteers > > Idea is really nice, Dinesh! > > However, to keep up with every changing procedures and variety of banks is > a > bit of a challenge, which may, of course be tackled. > > However, as my previous mails have highlighted, what is so wrong with > necessary human assistance that everybody including us-blind and officials > alike shunn it. > > Yes, the cases of living-alone blind or not having a trusted person > surely > warrant such measures of, what I call, "extreme independence'". > > Let me clarify before a controversy erupts about the term that such > measures > of "extreme independence" are measures which are: > > 1. warranted only in cases of absolute non-availability of any > assistance-human or otherwise; 2. Do entail an amount of risk, even if > adopted, like here any lapse, either psychological or technical, would > render the transaction an annoyance. > > I can think of other examples of such measures of extreme independence as > intentionally crossing a hyper-busy road alone, etc. > > Rajesh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dinesh Kaushal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Banks-Volunteers > > >> Just an idea flashed in my mind, that we can get together to create a >> website where we put up information about different ATMs. >> >> Such a web site could describe each screen along with how to activate >> various options. >> >> This could also take in to account the exception conditions. >> >> And if possible, banks could give their inputs or they could have such a >> discription at their website. >> >> Regards >> Dinesh Kaushal >> >> blog at >> dineshkaushal.blogspot.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pamnani >> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AI] Banks-Volunteers >> >> Rajesh they havent suggested it I have. I need to crack this problem once >> and for all. >> I am not expecting the volunteer to come with a trusted person. >> I need the volunteer who can do it independently. >> I will ensure that the volunteer has tried the ATM before putting the >> volunteer in front of the RBI. I will also check that there is no touch >> screen and I will explain it to the RBI. Please no doubts at this stage. >> We >> are trying all options. >> >> No volunteers as yet what happened to everybody on this list? >> >> Thanks Vetri we might have to use you if the Bombayites fail. >> Come on folks I need help and I think the cause needs help. >> Kanchan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rajesh Asudani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 15:14 >> Subject: Re: [AI] Banks-Volunteers >> >> >>> Well, the blind person may operate ATM machines in any one of the >>> following >>> ways: >>> >>> 1. Simplest and by far the most common way is to take assistance of >>> one's trusted sighted person; 2. By remembering the exact sequence of >>> options/menus after being told once by anybody; 3. By listening to >>> talking menus/options, in case it is provided; 4. touch screen >>> machines without talking features, not operable, but manageable with >>> assistance of one's trusted partner. >>> >>> It would be unfair to usher in a blind volunteer in a new ATM booth, >>> not having talking features, without acquainting her/him with sequence >>> of menus/options, and concluding that she/he can not operate ATM. >>> >>> I can comprehend no issue in allowing a blind person use ATM in any >>> manner 1, or 2, above, she/he wishes, even if banks may not be >>> compelled at this juncture to install talking once. They may, inn all >>> fairness, be compelled to install at least one talking ATM machine in >>> a wide area, or by any count, not to universalize touch screens. >>> >>> We must convince bigwigs that no bank takes responsibility for any >>> misuse of ATM of any customer, so blindness is immaterial. >>> Showing them practically how blind may use ATM, either by remembering >>> or by assistance from one's trusted partner, or by listening to >>> talking prompting, is tantamount to a move when women were, in the >>> beginning, asked to furnish a medical certificate about their fitness >>> to operate a typewriter!!!!!!! >>> Oh, god! Where has the intellect and abstract thinking vanished!!!!!! >>> >>> Rajesh >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pamnani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K.Ramkrishna" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:06 PM >>> Subject: [AI] Banks-Volunteers >>> >>> >>>> Need Help Urgently >>>> >>>> need 3 Volunteers from Mumbai or volunteers who are willing to come >>>> to Mumbai who will demonstrate to the RBI bigwigs that the Visually >>>> challenged can and do use A T M. >>>> The bank does not matter since all banks have branches close to the R >>>> B I in Fort area of Mumbai. >>>> My first strategy of sending complaints to the RBI Officials does not >>>> seem to have worked fully.Some benefitted but in some cases the >>>> banks are adamant they are burying their heads like ostriches and not >>>> giving proper answers. None of them say no but none of them are >>>> willing to put it in writing because they know that they will be >>>> sued. There are currently 2 cases amongst our members which need to >>>> be resolved. >>>> >>>> The plan is to show the R B I officials that we can use ATM therefore >>>> they need not fear for our security. >>>> Lets see. >>>> Kanchan Pamnani >>>> Advocate & Solicitor >>>> 9, Suleman Chambers, >>>> Battery Street, Colaba, >>>> Mumbai - 400 039. >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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