I am informed that all of the indian languages work in orbit 20.

Nirmal

On Mon 16 Jul, 2018, 22:24 Ponduru Lokanadham, <[email protected]> wrote:

> i am using
>  telugu language in orbit reader it is fine i have no issue in telugu
> language files in my device
> On 7/16/18, Dipendra Manocha <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Yes, Orbit will support grade one and 2 for reading and also for typing.
> >
> > All Indian languages are not fully tested. Many are and if you are
> > interested in any particular one, you could help in getting that working
> if
> > it is not there already.
> >
> > You cannot put PDF or word or EPUB files in the memory card to read them
> in
> > braille on Orbit. However, you could convert any of these  in BRF or txt
> > format to then read them on Orbit display.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dipendra
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> > Of Aman Preet Singh
> > Sent: 11 July 2018 09:28
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> > the disabled. <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Orbit Reader 20
> >
> > Hi friends! I would like to ask some questions regarding Orbit reader 20.
> > 1. Does the orbit reader support both Braille contractions or non
> > contractions?
> > 2. does the orbit reader support all Indian languages in Braille?
> > 3. Does the orbit reader support many books formats like PDF, EPUB, word
> and
> > TXT? May I read books in this formats with it? Kind regards Aman.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 5:05 PM Ponduru Lokanadham <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello sir, I am using orbit reader 20. Therefore, I can answer to your
> >> query I do not want degrade braille me any way orbit reader supports
> >> both I phone and android.
> >> There is no issue with localization files in orbit reader We can copy
> >> data as per the capacity of our SD card in orbit reader Directly we
> >> can connect via Bluetooth to our I phone but for android we have to
> >> install brailleback app.
> >> We can create folders in orbit reader even when it is in standalone
> mode.
> >> You can get your own language in your device so that you can read and
> >> write in your own language.
> >> As I stated above there is no issue with localization files.
> >> If you are using me phone then orbit reader is the best because I
> >> phone has its own shortcut keys for braille.
> >> You no need to install any driver in computer for using orbit reader
> >> with NVDA. However, for jaws you have to install a separate driver in
> >> computer, which you can get from the orbit reader website.
> >> In addition, you can download the latest version of orbit reader from
> >> it’s website from time to time.
> >>         Thank you and if you need more details about orbit reader
> >> please mail me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/3/18, john clayton <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Hi Vikas,
> >> >  Having used both BrailleMe and the orbit reader, could you share
> >> > your experience with us?
> >> >  Pros and cons of each device, anything good/bad you find in both
> >> > devices and so on?
> >> >  I have read a few things (which I previously wrote) but it is
> >> > always
> >> good
> >> > to know more and get different povs
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > On 3 July 2018 at 13:06, Vikas Kapoor <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Kriti,
> >> >> I'm not holding any demo sessions, the fact that I offered to show
> >> >> both the devices to you because at this moment I'm having both of
> >> >> them with
> >> me
> >> >> which came to me for testing purpose. We already had held some demo
> >> >> sessions at AICB Delhi few months back.
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kriti Banga"
> >> >> <[email protected]>
> >> >> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >> >> concerning the disabled." <[email protected]>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 11:13 AM
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Orbit Reader 20
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Vikas,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for the jesture. But I am based in Mumbai, and if anything
> >> >>> is possible in terms of the demo session here in future, then
> >> >>> please do
> >> let
> >> >>> me
> >> >>> know.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Kind Regards,
> >> >>> Kriti Banga
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:00 PM, john clayton
> >> >>> <[email protected]>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>>  By residences I will asume you mean anywhere in india. :)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I considered the BrailleMe specially so because they and I are
> >> >>>> both located in mumbai so warranty if any should not be an issue.
> >> >>>> However certain limitations of the brailleme make me think the
> >> >>>> orbit
> >> is
> >> >>>> far
> >> >>>> better than the brailleme. I.E the 40kb file limit? no sub
> >> >>>> directory support just reads files in the first directory and so
> on.
> >> >>>> Braillemes refresh rate though seems to be slightly better than
> >> >>>> that
> >> of
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> orbit reader though the orbit reader feels much more crisp to the
> >> >>>> fingers from what I have read of users experiences.
> >> >>>> Cheers.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 2 July 2018 at 18:50, Vikas Kapoor <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > If you are based in Delhi, I can do it not only with Orbit but
> >> >>>> > also
> >> >
> >> >>>> with
> >> >>>> > Braille-mi, another similar device being developped by a Mumbai
> >> based
> >> >>>> > company called Innovision.
> >> >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kriti Banga" <
> >> [email protected]
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
> >> >>>> > issues concerning the disabled."
> >> >>>> > <[email protected]>
> >> >>>> > Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 1:06 PM
> >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Orbit Reader 20
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Dear Rajpal,
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Thank you for sharing this information with everyone of us.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Just had one question in mind, is it possible to have a demo
> >> >>>> >> before purchasing the device? And where could one contact for
> >> >>>> >> a demo session,
> >> >>>> if
> >> >>>> >> it's available anywhere else?
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Thanks and Regards,
> >> >>>> >> Kriti Banga
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Nirmal Verma <
> >> [email protected]
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> For any query regardi g orbit you can call me also.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> I may have some solution.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Regards
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Nirmal
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> 7007869291
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> On Mon 2 Jul, 2018, 09:59 Amar Jain, <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> > This is an exciting development. Braille is very useful and
> >> handi
> >> >>>> from
> >> >>>> >>> > reading on the go perspective.
> >> >>>> >>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > Just a question: how much durability these dots generated
> >> through
> >> >>>> pins
> >> >>>> >>> > would have as oppose to the dots generated through either
> >> bubbles
> >> >>>> >>> > or
> >> >>>> >>> > magnet? And which is better from longetivity perspective?
> >> >>>> >>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > Regards,
> >> >>>> >>> > Amar Jain
> >> >>>> >>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>> >>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > > On 02-Jul-2018, at 8:19 AM, Rajpal <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > Dear Friends,
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > We are happy to share with you the good news that we are
> >> >>>> >>> > > now
> >> in
> >> >>>> >>> > > a
> >> >>>> >>> > position
> >> >>>> >>> > > to provide interested Braille users a very compact,
> >> >>>> >>> > > useful, >
> >> >
> >> >>>> >>> affordable
> >> >>>> >>> > and
> >> >>>> >>> > > high quality Braille digital device.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 2. Called Orbit Reader 20, the device has the distinctive
> >> >>>> advantages
> >> >>>> >>> > > of
> >> >>>> >>> > > serving as a Braille note taker and a Braille display
> >> >>>> >>> > > which
> >> can
> >> >>>> >>> > > be
> >> >>>> >>> > connected
> >> >>>> >>> > > to smartphones and tablets.  The device also enables
> >> >>>> >>> > > users to read
> >> >>>> >>> books
> >> >>>> >>> > > downloaded on its SD cards as also copied in text file
> >> >>>> >>> > > from
> >> >>>> computers
> >> >>>> >>> > > through USB cable.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 3. The device has a Perkins Brailler-style 8-dot keyboard
> >> >>>> >>> > > and you
> >> >>>> can
> >> >>>> >>> > write
> >> >>>> >>> > > with this keyboard completely noiselessly without using
> >> >>>> >>> > > any
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> > > paper.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > The
> >> >>>> >>> > > device has a refreshable Braille display with 20 cells
> >> >>>> >>> > > and the dots are formed on this display with the pins
> >> >>>> >>> > > coming up.  The dots are solid and
> >> >>>> >>> > easy
> >> >>>> >>> > > to read.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 4. Our friends will, no doubt appreciate that all of us
> >> >>>> >>> > > had
> >> been
> >> >>>> >>> looking
> >> >>>> >>> > > forward to an affordable and high quality Braille device
> >> >>>> >>> > > of
> >> this
> >> >>>> >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> nature
> >> >>>> >>> > for
> >> >>>> >>> > > the past so many years. The further advantage of this
> >> >>>> >>> > > device
> >> is
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> >>> > > it
> >> >>>> >>> > has
> >> >>>> >>> > > been tested world-wide for validation over the last three
> >> years.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 5. The manufacturers have agreed to provide these devices
> >> >>>> >>> > > (20 units in
> >> >>>> >>> > the
> >> >>>> >>> > > first place) to us at a discounted price of Rs. 31728/-
> >> >>>> >>> > > per
> >> unit
> >> >>>> >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> which
> >> >>>> >>> > > includes a charger, a USB cable and an SD card along with
> >> >>>> >>> > > >>>
> >> >
> >> >>>> > battery,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > but
> >> >>>> >>> > > excludes GST (5%) and shipping charges.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 6. As a special gesture of goodwill for our Braille users
> >> >>>> >>> > > and
> >> in
> >> >>>> >>> > pursuance
> >> >>>> >>> > > of this Confederation's campaign for Braille promotion,
> >> >>>> >>> > > we
> >> have
> >> >>>> > >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >>> decided
> >> >>>> >>> > to
> >> >>>> >>> > > provide our friends a further discount on the aforesaid
> >> >>>> >>> > > price.
> >> >>>> Thus,
> >> >>>> >>> we
> >> >>>> >>> > > would sell the device to visually impaired individuals at
> >> >>>> >>> > > a
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> > > further
> >> >>>> >>> > reduced
> >> >>>> >>> > > cost of just Rs. 30,000 which includes GST, USB cable,
> >> Charger,
> >> >>>> >>> > > SD
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > card
> >> >>>> >>> > and
> >> >>>> >>> > > a built-in battery.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 7. Please note that currently the supply is rather
> >> >>>> >>> > > limited and
> >> >>>> would
> >> >>>> >>> > > be
> >> >>>> >>> > sold
> >> >>>> >>> > > on first come first serve basis.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 8. All interested visually impaired Braille user
> >> >>>> >>> > > individuals
> >> can
> >> >>>> >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> obtain
> >> >>>> >>> > the
> >> >>>> >>> > > device from the Confederation by remitting to the
> >> Confederation
> >> >>>> >>> > > an
> >> >>>> >>> > amount of
> >> >>>> >>> > > Rs. 30,000/- for one unit by bank draft drawn in favour
> >> >>>> >>> > > of All
> >> >>>> India
> >> >>>> >>> > > Confederation of the Blind.  Alternatively, you can
> >> >>>> >>> > > transfer
> >> the
> >> >>>> said
> >> >>>> >>> > amount
> >> >>>> >>> > > direct to our bank as  per the following bank detail:
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > Name of the Beneficiary: All India Confederation of the
> >> >>>> >>> > > Blind
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > Name of the Bank: Punjab National Bank
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >                                Model Town-III,
> >> >>>> >>> > > Delhi-110009
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > BANK ACCOUNT No. : 0650000100185864
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > IFSC code: PUNB0065000
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > MICR Code: 110024024
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > In the event of bank transfer, please intimate to us by
> >> >>>> >>> > > email your
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > name
> >> >>>> >>> > and
> >> >>>> >>> > > complete address and the date of bank transfer, to enable
> >> >>>> >>> > > us
> >> to
> >> >>>> > >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >>> follow
> >> >>>> >>> up
> >> >>>> >>> > > the transaction.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 9. Please note that your payment through bank draft/bank
> >> >>>> transfer >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >>> > must
> >> >>>> >>> > reach
> >> >>>> >>> > > us latest by 10th July.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 10. On receiving the payment, this Confederation would
> >> arrange >
> >> >>>> >>> > >  >
> >> >>>> >>> training
> >> >>>> >>> > in
> >> >>>> >>> > > the use of device at its own cost for a day or two.  All
> >> >>>> >>> > > that the
> >> >>>> >>> > purchaser
> >> >>>> >>> > > would need to do is to bear the cost of travel to the >>>
> >> >>>> >>> > > > >
> >> >>>> Confederation
> >> >>>> >>> > > and
> >> >>>> >>> > > back as also the cost of board and lodging, as
> >> >>>> >>> > > applicable, for the
> >> >>>> >>> > period of
> >> >>>> >>> > > training.  The device would be handed over to persons
> >> >>>> >>> > > making
> >> the
> >> >>>> >>> payment
> >> >>>> >>> > on
> >> >>>> >>> > > the day of the commencement of training. The exact date/s
> >> >>>> >>> > > of
> >> >>>> training
> >> >>>> >>> at
> >> >>>> >>> > the
> >> >>>> >>> > > Confederation would be notified to the persons making
> >> >>>> >>> > > payment
> >> >>>> shortly
> >> >>>> >>> > after
> >> >>>> >>> > > their remittance is received.  In case some persons
> >> >>>> >>> > > desire to
> >> >>>> obtain
> >> >>>> >>> the
> >> >>>> >>> > > device at their own residence they would need to pay
> >> >>>> >>> > > courier
> >> >>>> charges
> >> >>>> >>> > > of
> >> >>>> >>> > Rs.
> >> >>>> >>> > > 250/- for each unit.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > 11. Please note further that the device carries a
> >> >>>> >>> > > one-year
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> > warranty
> >> >>>> >>> > > and
> >> >>>> >>> > > during the period, issues regarding technical
> >> >>>> >>> > > support/repair
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> > > would
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> > need
> >> >>>> >>> > to
> >> >>>> >>> > > be settled between the user and the manufacturer at their
> >> >>>> >>> > > own
> >> >>>> level.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > Looking forward to your early response.
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > Kind regards,
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > J.L. Kaul
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> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > With Kind Regards
> >> >>>> >>> > >
> >> >>>> >>> > > J. L. Kaul
> >> >>>> >>> > > Recipient of Padma Shri Award 2014 Secretary General All
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