Dear avichal,, thanks for raising this extremely important issue. Subject to doing a conflict check in terms of our existing obligations, Mission Accessibility would be very happy to take up this cause for you in the court of the chief commissioner for persons with disabilities. I would be happy to appear on your behalf. I am passing this email on to my colleague Mahoor, who leads our grievance redressal and strategic intervention work, for her to obtain detailed specifications from you on who the publisher is and whether there is anything in writing that we can annexed with the complaint. And also the logistics and scope of work. Thanks very much.
Rahul Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Pinkesh Tailor <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 3:54:51 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request? I think, you should raise this at CCPD. Until and unless these matters are silent, there would be no update on this issue by the government. Secondly since the demand for higher, and doctoral studies are very poor amongst blind, do not expect these NGO's to offer any help to you in this regards. This is your own battle, and you have to fight on your own. Others would just comment, and give you some advise. I wish that there would be a law under RPWD act which would mandate all at least Indian publisher to make the books available in multiple formats. Just as it is available in developed countries. On 8/18/23, Aravind R <[email protected]> wrote: > yes. sugamya and bookshare are good reading sources for blind. we can > link with our mobile apps like voice dream reader or easy reader and > get books from those libraries any time. > > On 17/08/2023, Prerna Sobti <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi >> >> >> Gratitude for explaining me all this >> >> >> I was not aware of this at all >> >> Best >> Prerna Sobti >> >>> On 17-Aug-2023, at 8:04 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Sugamya Pustakalaya does not record or convert any book on its own. >>> Sugamya Pustakalaya is an online library where various NGOs are >>> uploading >>> the books converted by them. >>> Audio recording of a book is a time consuming and expensive affair if >>> decent quality is to be achieved. Not every book can be recorded, no one >>> has the resources for it. >>> And then learners do not always want the audio version, eBook is being >>> increasingly preferred. >>> In Sugamya Pustakalaya audio books in DAISY format, eBooks in EPUB >>> format >>> and some Braille files are also available. All books are accessible and >>> the collection keeps growing. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On >>> Behalf Of Prerna Sobti >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 9:08 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft >>> copies >>> to the blind on request? >>> >>> Hi all >>> Pardon my ignorance but sugamya does not do ya audio recording for all >>> the >>> books? >>> Should we not focus on immediate solution than going through a long >>> route? >>> I’m late life visually impaired person, so still trying to understand >>> the >>> weather situation Best >>> >>> Prerna Sobti >>> >>>> On 14-Aug-2023, at 11:55 PM, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Completely agree, its only the mandate which gets the things done. >>>> >>>>>> On 14/08/2023, anirudh rao <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> yes completely agree on the point that such a law should be mandated. >>>>> OCR apps are not accurate and accuracy is inevitable when someone is >>>>> reading a book for academic purposes. >>>>> I too had the same question in my mind lingering since few days now >>>>> and was clarified by some of the insites provided here. >>>>> one more problem is that most publishers are unaware of disability in >>>>> general and are just rude. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 8:51 PM drbsmkumar <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> Why should we buy a hardcopy book scan it and do an OCR? Are we not >>>>>> eligible to buy an accessible E book? There are so many leading >>>>>> international private publishers who are supplying digital E books >>>>>> with complete long description for that images. >>>>>> Hence, I feel we should work towards making a law which makes it >>>>>> mandatory for all the publishing houses to provide an accessible >>>>>> Digital books for people with vision in pairments. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Prof. B. S. M. Kumar, MSc., MTech., PhD, >>>>>> Cell: +91 9840139849 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14-Aug-2023, at 20:42, Aman Preet Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi! I suggest you that, you may access the book with the help of >>>>>> technology for visually impaired. You may purchase It’s hard copy, >>>>>> scan its Pages with your mobile/scanner and create its PDF file, >>>>>> then you may read that file with any OCR app like kibo, envision AI, >>>>>> etc. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14-Aug-2023, at 6:43 PM, Avichal Bhatnagar >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Prashant Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for making things clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the catch in this entire case is that there's no soft copy >>>>>> >>>>>> available anywhere, thus making it impossible for the print disabled >>>>>> >>>>>> to read. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I wonder if a case against the publisher can be filed in the >>>>>> court >>>>>> >>>>>> of CCPD on the grounds of discrimination against the disabled? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/14/23, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Avichal, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not necessary for the private publisher to provide an >>>>>> accessible copy >>>>>> >>>>>> as of now. >>>>>> >>>>>> The law permits you or any other institution to convert it to an >>>>>> accessible >>>>>> >>>>>> format without taking permission of the publisher/copy right holder. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if that book is being provided by any educational >>>>>> institution to >>>>>> >>>>>> you, you can put the onus on the institution to convert it for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Publishers don’t want to share soft copy fearing piracy although >>>>>> there are >>>>>> >>>>>> other ways to pirate the book if anyone really wants to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is how the copyright law has worked so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if the recent changes to the RPD Act rules can be made >>>>>> applicable >>>>>> >>>>>> on this particularly when only print book has been released. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Prashant >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> <[email protected]> On >>>>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:10 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft >>>>>> copies to >>>>>> >>>>>> the blind on request? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello list members, >>>>>> >>>>>> As the subject line indicates, I want to know that if a visually >>>>>> impaired >>>>>> >>>>>> person requests a publisher for the soft copy of a book, is the >>>>>> publisher >>>>>> >>>>>> obligated by law to provide the same? If so, then can he be >>>>>> penalised for >>>>>> >>>>>> not fulfilling the request? >>>>>> >>>>>> Today, I called a publisher in Mumbai and requested for the soft >>>>>> copy of a >>>>>> >>>>>> book which is quite essential for my doctoral research; I was >>>>>> willing to pay >>>>>> >>>>>> the price of the hard copy for the soft copy, but the publisher's >>>>>> response >>>>>> >>>>>> was very callous and insensitive. >>>>>> >>>>>> The book is not available as an ebook in any other format as well, >>>>>> such as >>>>>> >>>>>> kindle. >>>>>> >>>>>> He simply said that he would not provide the soft copy, and when I >>>>>> told him >>>>>> >>>>>> that the book was not available in ebook anywhere, so he said that I >>>>>> should >>>>>> >>>>>> read it when it becomes available. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also told him that the book is a big one, so it'll take a lot of >>>>>> time in >>>>>> >>>>>> getting it scanned and proofread, but he did not budge. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I request the legal experts on the list to please advise me as >>>>>> to what >>>>>> >>>>>> will be the best course of action in this regard? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am planning to sue the publisher in the court of the Chief >>>>>> commissioner >>>>>> >>>>>> for persons with disability, please let me know if it is a good step? >>>>>> >>>>>> Please also explain about any other laws in this regard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Avichal >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Avichal Bhatnagar >>>>>> >>>>>> Assistant professor at >>>>>> >>>>>> Department of English, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Khalsa College University >>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>> Delhi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Doctoral research scholar at >>>>>> >>>>>> Department of humanities >>>>>> >>>>>> Delhi Technological University (formerly Delhi college of >>>>>> engineering) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. 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