Given that we have not accomplished anything more than a few unimplemented rules on paper, should we make this a class issue?
Subramani -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AI] "My experience in travel. Yes, Kanchan, everybody has the right to choose one's battles. However, everybody is not equally capable to fight those out. There are hundreds of internal and external factors influencing one's endeavors. Anyway, I am about to choose my priorities for striving, and it seems education sector has a vast potential to generate satisfying employment for at least those woo persevere at studies. I am not comparing priorities. All issues affecting disabled merit a genuine striving, however, I can surely say that railways, education, and such other problems do affect substantially more number of disabled individuals than, say, air travel and share trading, which are the domain of a few elite. Moreover, the people affected by former issues, unlike those affected by later ones, are not capable themselves to raise a whimper, let alone fight a battle with authorities. So, we have to launch a full-fledged agitation for all such issues. Regards -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AI] "My experience in travel. Rajesh, I am glad you accept that you are passive. What stops people like you from taking out the agitation. You are so talented why not use your pen. Get the people around you to get together for a rally. I have heard you speak and I know you can motivate. Why not start something which we can all join. Something like the dharna I had planned against Nasscom and so many accessindians had agreed to be there. Please do not compare priorities if someone wants to fight DGCA let them. do not think that one is more than the other. We all have the right to choose our battles. Last week in response to my email on the Database someone did tell me that we should be fighting against the coins problem rather than wasting money on a database. . Why could not that person take up the challenge himself and fight against the coins issue and let me choose my battle. Why does everyone think that others are there to fight these battles.Lets fight them for ourselves and for the benfit of others. I chose to fight the NSDL or the Banks problem no one forced me to do them. On the coins issue I had written a mail about a month ago. After that there was complete silence because everyone realised that they did not want to take the lead. Yes the railways is a problem. I am going to take up about 3 of those many problems after I finish some basic work on the database and on the scribes issue. Also the problems of the physiotherapist need to be looked into urgently. Until I do something you can do a lot. I hope you and everyone here does do something. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Gambhir" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] "My experience in travel. > > I also had a similar experience, I was traveling from Dheradun to Delhi, > and > the railway police allowed 2 persons to get into the coach. They were > allotted seats against some amount which they paid to security personals. > When I requested one of the security personal to vacate a birth for me so > that I can sleep. He said that there is no birth vacant in the > compartment. > And that was the time when I entered into a debate with them, as I was > aware > about actual facts. > > Normally there are 4 births in the Disabled coach out of which 2 births > were > occupied by those sighted persons and one by the 2 security personals, and > one birth by me and my escort. > > I started by requesting sighted person to change their coach, as this > coach > is reserved for Disabled travelers. The police personals started defending > them as they were bribed for allotting births. > > After a long debate with those 4 persons they finally vacated the coach at > haridwar, and we managed to get our due rights. > > There are many changes that are required to be brought in the system of > railways ranging from getting reservation done to traveling, to make the > traveling of disabled persons convenient. > > Thanks > Rahul Gambhir > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Asudani, > Rajesh > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] "My experiance in travel. > > All these absurd problems with disability sector are because we have lost > ability to give a fight. > Has there been any rally to voice all these issues? > Has anybody undertaken a fast to ventilate all such issues? > Has anybody assassinated a prominent personality because disability issues > were not taken cognizance of? > > Millions and millions of disabled continue to live like ants, being trod > upon by so-called normal individuals daily. > Abusing in the name of caste is a cognizable offence, is it so in the name > of disability? > No. have you wondered, why? > Pick up a fight with anybody, and the first explative will be in the name > of your disability... > > Establishments not reserving posts, not giving their due to deserving > candidates, not giving any work even after appointment, constantly > torturing > disabled employees for not performing according to prevailing norms and > procedures, Not allowing use of disabled hoach in the trains peacefully, > declaring totally blind unfit for any job and so on and so on, all these > are > indignities which we are bearing in the name of civilization. Courts are > not > a panacea, and are more of problem creators than solvers. > > Now, giving one more example, I was threatened by none other than > assistant > security officer of our bank that he would not allow my autorikshaw to > come > till my flat's door to pick me up and drop me and I should board it my > outside colony gate. > Mind you, dispute between us was concerning something else, and he brought > this issue as an example. > Now, do you think it is decent behaviour? > And, now, what can I hope for by invoking available remedies? > > The point in question is indignities metted out to the person on account > of > disability and our utter inability to undertake any fruitful action. > This handicapped compartment issue is also here for ages, since they were > introduced in railways. > Almost all of us have suffered from it. > But, we are more concerned with DGCA issuing guidelines for independent > travel of disable air passengers than a disabled person being able to > undertake convenient journey rightfully in railways. > > UGC compandium of circulars is one more example. > So is arbitrariness in issuing railway concession tickets by ER clerks. > So, formal and informal victimization of the disabled is a fact of life. > We must, protest, at least by employing all available means against such > an > indignified life. > Judiciary, executive consultations etc. can, to some extent, mitigate the > issues. Public agitation is also one of the potent means, but is easier > said > than done. > Mind you, I too perceive myself as one of the passive viewers/victims of > this foolish process of humanity. > > Regards > Rajesh > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of subi k.s. > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AI] "My experiance in travel. > > On 6/10/09, tharani <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear A I friends: >> >> While I travel through train in disable coach the normal person also get > in >> to the disable coach. >> >> Not only single person, group of the person or family group member. >> >> This incident will be held on the starting stage. So, We don't have enif >> place. >> >> While traveling train they lay down on the flore and they start to >> smoak.after starting station there is no chance to get in to the disable >> person inside of the cabin. If the disable person nock the door the >> normal >> person keep silent and they asked are you having any concision form and > show >> it to us. >> >> Finally the disable person missed the train. In this occasion what we >> will >> do?PLS give your cooperation for to take a good jerny. >> >> Thanks for ever: >> >> >> >> B. 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