Hi Kanchan and all, During our case, if the respondent party clames that Visually Impaired candidates do cheating in the exams, I would tell my advocate to ask the respondent to provide the necessary documents in favor of their statement in front of the Court. The opposite party will be required to furnish with the proper documentation of proof of the cheating with the name of the candidates who were found blameworthy during the examination along with the complete details such as date, place and the incidence. I don’t know how Court will consider a clame of cheating based on the self-presumption without any evidence. I would request other members to send their personal points and arguments at my personal mail ID so we can prepare a strong petition.
Regards, Amit Bhatt On 7/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: > Well Kanchan > About prior intimation about sixty percentage by SBI, I am sure they had > not mentioned it in their advertisement for recruitment. > They said so only in their hall ticket instruction which a candidate gets > only a couple of days before actual exam... > And, it is next to impossible to get a good writer who has scored less than > sixty percent..... > > The lady who had put in her great efforts for fifty percent rule and who > must have cited her experiences of cheating by blind to you, is cut off from > ground realities and is committing what we call in logic the fallacy of > accident. > > Prescribing any percentage for scribe by blind is tantamount to saying to > sighted: please strip naked before entering the exam hall, for who knows you > may have written answers on your body parts? > > > Excuse me for my bluntness, but this is precisely what I think. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Eyeway Helpdesk > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:56 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Preparation to file > thepetitionagainsttheScribeGuidelines..... > > Hi Kanchan jee, > > Below is the list of participating banks. Would request someone to arange > their contact details > 1. Allahabad Bank 2. Andhra Bank 3. Bank of Baroda 4. Bank of India 5. Bank > of Maharashtra 6. Canara Bank 7. Central Bank of India 8. Corporation Bank > 9. Dena Bank 10. Indian Bank 11. Indian Overseas Bank 12. Oriental Bank of > Commerce 13. Punjab National Bank 14. Punjab & Sind Bank 15. Syndicate Bank > 16. Union Bank of India 17. United Bank of India 18. UCO Bank 19. Vijaya > Bank > > > With best regards, > Satguru Rathi | Helpdesk Executive > Project Eyeway - A knowledge resource for living a fuller life with vision > loss > C/o Score Foundation, 17/107 L.G.F., Vikram Vihar, Lajpat Nagar - 4, New > Delhi - 110024. India. > Helpdesk:+91-11-460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm) > Website: www.eyeway.org. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Preparation to file > thepetitionagainsttheScribeGuidelines..... > > > Thanks for the information. It will save me time to find it. So which are > the 19 Banks? > Will someone send the list including the addresses. > I am so glad that we are coming to the stage of everyone cooperating and we > are moving away from the world when our organisations fought each other for > turf and not the world outside. > K > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eyeway Helpdesk" <helpd...@eyeway.org> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Preparation to file the > petitionagainsttheScribeGuidelines..... > > >> Dear Kanchan and all: >> >> As rightly said by Mr. Bhavani, a common written examination [CWE] for >> recruitment of probationary officers/ management trainees in 19 public >> sector banks is to be conducted by the Institute of Banking Personnel >> Selection (IBPS) on 18th of September. >> >> Address: IBPS House, Post Box no. 8587, Kandivali (E), Mumbai 400 101 >> >> Email: com...@ibpsorg.org >> >> Website: www.ibps.in >> >> >> >> I am pasting below the guidelines given in the advertisement; the same can >> be seen on their website also. >> >> Guidelines for Persons With Disabilities using a Scribe >> The visually impaired candidates and candidates whose writing speed is >> affected by cerebral palsy can use their own scribe at their cost during >> the >> written examination. In all such cases where a scribe is used, the >> following >> rules will apply: >> The candidate will have to arrange his own scribe at his/her own cost. >> >> The academic qualification of the scribe should be one grade lower than >> the >> stipulated criteria. >> The scribe should possess lesser marks than the candidates and not more >> than >> 60% marks in his/her own academic stream. >> The scribe may be from any academic stream. >> Both the candidates as well as scribes will have to give a suitable >> undertaking confirming that the scribe fulfils all the stipulated >> eligibility criteria for a scribe mentioned above. Further in case it >> later >> transpires that he/she did not fulfill any laid down eligibility criteria >> or >> suppressed material facts the candidature of the applicant will stand >> cancelled, irrespective of the result of the written examination. >> >> Such candidates who use a scribe shall be eligible for extra time of 20 >> minutes for every hour of the examination. >> >> >> >> >> >> With best regards, >> Satguru Rathi | Helpdesk Executive >> Project Eyeway - A knowledge resource for living a fuller life with vision >> loss >> C/o Score Foundation, 17/107 L.G.F., Vikram Vihar, Lajpat Nagar - 4, New >> Delhi - 110024. India. >> Helpdesk:+91-11-460 70 380 (Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm) >> Website: www.eyeway.org. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" <bsvermad...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Preparation to file the petition >> againsttheScribeGuidelines..... >> >> >> madam! now banks have decided not to conduct exams individually, instead, >> they are outsourcing the entire process to the companies like IBPS. it is >> like just recruitment process previously done by BSRB. now the vacancies >> will be declared by the recruitment company and the name of candidates >> will >> be provided to the banks by the company. the process has already started. >> we >> are remitting the examinee's fee by NEFT to the nodal bank. in my >> knowledge >> presently it is bank of india. the nodle bank can be changed from time to >> time. other bankers in the group may provide you more information in this >> regard. before any proceeding, please also take note of above. >> >> thanks, >> >> bhawani >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: 26 July, 2011 6:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Preparation to file the petition against >> theScribeGuidelines..... >> >> >>> Amit, I like your enthusiasm to fight injustice and for your rights. >>> However please recheck- >>> 1. there is no rule or order of CCPD which states that the writer should >>> have less than 60% marks. I am willing to be corrected. >>> >>> 2. The original rule was that the writer should have less than 50% marks >>> and then when this was too much the CCPD came out with a clarification >>> that this 50% was causing too much hardship and issued a letter dated >>> 14th May 2003. Please check eyeway for the Directions of the CCPD. >>> 3. SS Sisodia filed a case in the CCPD's office challenging the 50% rule >>> in 2007 in SBI recruitment exams because the 50% rule just continued. >>> 4. After that SBI as a interim measure in 2007 raised it to 60% and >>> everyone else seems to have followed it. I am arguing SS Sisodia's case. >>> 5. Seeing how deep rooted the problem was, the CCPD called a meeting in >>> 2008 to make rules for scribes. These are minuted and have been shared on >>> this list many times. It was then sent to various authorities for their >>> replies. This matter is still pending. >>> 6. In the meanwhile we had the Maharshtra Guidelines which helped not >>> only >>> the examinees in Maharshtra but we used it for good effect all over the >>> country. >>> >>> 7. At the beginning of this year I was rudely awakened to the fact that >>> the Maharshtra government was not following its own guidelines. Of course >>> we dashed to court and the examinee could sit for the common entrance >>> exam >>> to the management courses in Maharashtra. >>> >>> 8. Coincidently this matter was decided yesterday and this 60% rule has >>> been smashed. Please wait for a few days for the judgement. >>> >>> 9. I am aware of what happened on Sunday in Delhi for the SBI recruitment >>> exam and I guess your outburst is because of that. >>> >>> 10. Other Banks have recruitment exams in September I am told and we >>> need >>> too stop this problem now. >>> >>> 11. Just for everyones knowledge I confronted the person who made the 50% >>> rule and I heard something we should all hear.Many of the examinees who >>> sit for exams get their writers not only to take down what they dictate >>> but also to write from their own personal knowledge. The sympathy created >>> by the visually challenged person ends up in cheating. The examinee >>> thinks >>> that the matter is over with the exam but the writer is upset because he >>> wanted to help but now he feels dirty and used. This was the personal >>> experience of the 50% rule maker and I tend to believe the experience. >>> Yes I will get to hear from all of you that you have never cheated and >>> never used your writers in such a way and that sighted people also cheat >>> etc........ I have always maintained that every single one of us is an >>> ambassador for the whole visually challenged community. It should not be >>> but it is. Lets not argue on this point but learn our lessons. Also if we >>> see some of our friends mis using their writers then we must pull them up >>> at that time. >>> >>> 12. From your mail I guess you are getting ready to go to court. Best of >>> luck. Please do not wait for others, if you feel so strongly then please >>> act. I would request you to share your information. When your Petition is >>> ready kindly email it to me so that we stay in tandem. >>> >>> 13.For others who are still reading this mail-if there are any rules >>> regarding scribes/writers in your state please let me have it. >>> >>> 14. Please let me have the list of banks which are conducting their >>> recruitment exam in September >>> 15. Now for academic interest -Did SBI not inform about this 60% rule in >>> their forms, on their website etc. How then were so many people not >>> allowed to sit for the exam. Was this sprung on you at the last minute or >>> was it decided earlier and our visually challenged friends did not bother >>> to follow the rule. I need to know for the next course of action against >>> SBI. >>> Kanchan >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbh...@gmail.com> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:49 PM >>> Subject: [AI] Preparation to file the petition against the >>> ScribeGuidelines..... >>> >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> It is sad to know that the current disputed clause and Guidelines for >>>> the >>>> Scribe of Visually Impaired Examinees are issued by none other than the >>>> Office of the Chief Commissioner for Persons with Disabilities. >>>> Our only concern is with that arbitrary clause which says that the >>>> Scribe >>>> should have less than 60% marks. >>>> I do not need to go in detail at this time about the current rule and >>>> how >>>> it is arbitrary since we have already discuss this issue on the list on >>>> numerous occasion, however, it is more painful to say that we, the >>>> members of the National Capital of India are still sitting silence. No >>>> individual, no community or no NGO has come forward with full interest >>>> to >>>> fight against this unnecessary clause. >>>> Anyways, it is a high time and I am trying to talk to individuals, >>>> communities and NGO's in Delhi to help us in filing the petition in the >>>> High Court. >>>> I will make my best efforts to make it happen but if any NGO or people >>>> do >>>> not come with us to support us, then am all setup to challenge this rule >>>> of Scribe in the Delhi High Court. some of my Visually Impaired, who are >>>> also victim of this clause, are also ready to come forward for the >>>> cause. >>>> My purpose of writing this e-Mail is just to inform you and if anyone of >>>> you believe that you are also suffering and should jump in this battle, >>>> then please write me or call me for further planning. >>>> We cannot wait any more for someone to come and fight for us. After all >>>> the authorities are not suffering or confronting such problem, but ask >>>> that candidate who really doesn't get the Scribe with less than 60% >>>> marks >>>> at this current competitive time. >>>> Like many other Visually Impaired, I am also paying for that mistake >>>> which CCPD has made couple of years back. I have no hesitation to say >>>> that the people who never gone through the examinations for the jobs, >>>> and >>>> therefore they didn't find any Scribe for themselves, have decided the >>>> fate of the Visually Impaired examinees of India and framed out the >>>> norms >>>> of Scribe with less than 60% marks! And we are still sitting in the >>>> lull!!! no, but it won't happen any more, we cannot afford to lose this >>>> battle in absence of support of others. >>>> We will go to court at the earliest possible time, so please express >>>> your >>>> opinion, and if interested, support us for this petition. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Amit Bhatt >>>> >>>> Senior Executive - Reservations >>>> >>>> Far Horizon Tours Pvt. Ltd. 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