dear fen,
let me confirm one thing, even sighted people cannot recognize stones many
times before entering into mouth. some even bite them and get a hard hit on
their teeth and finally shout on the cook or somebody else. only in certain
cases where there is good contrast like in white rice, they can find it. in
other foods, it is too difficult to find stones just by eyes. they can
recognize hair as they lift the spoon or fork as it becomes more visible.
so, we are not at substantial relative disadvantage and no need to worry.
but it is always right to find innovative ways for their early recognition.
one thing can be done for stones. just stir the food on the plate. if there
is stone, it goes to the bottom due to gravity and makes a scratching sound
after contacting with the plate. it is a clear indication of stone. it gives
better results with metal plates. hair is very difficult to identify before
mouth. only thing I hope is when you lift the spoon, there will be a bit of
downward force if a part of hair is in your spoon and other end is closely
stick with rest. it is difficult in some foods like noodles.
to Syed,
I am very happy you people are raising many apparently small but somewhat
important problems of accessibility. not only you, no one can manage
ice-cream with fingers. I am also very much annoyed by ice-cream served on
plates. do you have any idea for them? I think only those served on cups are
a bit comfortable. any idea from the list members on plate ice-cream is
welcomed.
Umesha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phen Varghese" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 07 April, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
You don't have to be sorry you didn't hurt my feelings.
I think that we should tell the chefs to wash the food items properly
and to check whether if there are other unwanted items in the foods.
They should be carefull when they are cutting even there hair can fall
into it and in that way we can get caught with these unwanted items to
come into our stomach or mouth.
If these unwanted items continues to be there in our food then it can
lead into apendicytis.
So we should be carefull with these items and our chefs should be carefull.
Regard's,
Phen
On 4/7/12, SYED IMRAN <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes I can feel the stone if it is a semi solid food because when you stir
it
slightly, you might feel the stone brushing against the spoon, please also
be aware that there are certain exceptions like the stone might be too
small
to notice or it might get mixed with the food which can happen to even
sighted, although the chances may not be as high as in our case. But if it
is something like hair or powdered tablets or killed mosquito for
instance,
even if you use your hand I guess it would be too hard to detect. Which
certainly forces me to think about the dining accessibility aspect in our
lives, so let us be bit more vigilant and take precautions like being
aware
about ambience when consuming the food. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but
these things might just happen
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Phen Varghese
Sent: 07 April 2012 12:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
If it is a vegetarian food then what will you do?
Leave the bones i don't want to know about chicken bones or anything like
that i want to know what will happen if this is there in the veg foods?
will you be able to feel it?
If you take the case of sighted people they can see before eating but for
us
we can only see after bringing it to our mouth . so what is your
sudjestion
now regarding this?
On 4/7/12, SYED IMRAN <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes this is also something that we need to think about. Thanks for
raising it. but I bet even sighted folks can't avoid this situation
completely, so if you think you got a stone or a hair in your mouth,
just take it off with your hand and continue eating. As for avoiding
the situation, I don't know about the hair, but you can detect stone
with the spoon if the food is semi solid, I know it get's confusing if
you also have bone there, but I guess you can just pick it up with
your fingers and put it by the side of the plate and continue the
batting. I don't use spoon or fork if I think I can manage without it,
to me it all depends on the kind of a social setting I'm in. but
Icecream is something that I cannot manage only with my fingers. But
It becomes tough when the icecream is served on these thin paper
plates - it definitely impacts my dining experience and I get so
annoyed if I miss out having icecream just because it is so
inaccessible. I seriously feel that eating places and eating tools
have to be made more accessible, it surely deserves more importance as
much as any library or a laboratory or a sports ground any day.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Phen
Varghese
Sent: 07 April 2012 11:38
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
Hi,
I have one question that is if we eat with spoones or forks then how
will we notice if some unwanted substance is there in the food like
stones or hair of a person which falls in the food or something like
that?
What i do is when I get some substance like that I notice only when it
is brought near my tung.
So to avoid this what should we do ?
Is there some tool which comes along with the spoon or fork to
understand before eating?
Please sudjest something before sudjesting please sit back and think
about this .
Regard's,
Phen
On 4/6/12, shaik sazid <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi mohit, I am really sorry that unknowningly two empty mails were
send by me. As comming to your query, when I took Oand M training in
NIVH they taught me how to use spoon and fork. Being a VI we should
prefer to eat by our fingers as Mr. Umesha suggested. As well as
sceintific it is good to use our fingers to eat. Whenever you are
eating noodles or some other food which is premitable using with
spoon or fork, use two spoons or spoon and fork. When you are eating
noodles insert the fork into the noodles and round the fork in 360
degree so that the noodles will stick to fork before eating touch the
spoon which is in your left hand so that we can know wether there is
any food material is there is are not. I trieed to explain but i do
not
know how far it is elivated to you.
regards,
Sazid.sk
--- On Thu, 5/4/12, Umesha Economics <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Umesha Economics <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, 5 April, 2012, 8:02 AM
Hi mohit,
congrats to your innovative questions. in order to avoid the problem,
I do not use the spoon or fork in such situations and I do not worry
about people around thinking some thing bad, as eating with fingers
is not bad for health or in any respect. only this illusive modernity
makes these rules. so, I think it is not wrong in over ruling them as
long as there is no harm. for example, to eat 'Idli', a well known
south Indian breakfast, people use 2 spoons. but it is too difficult
for visually impaired to eat like that. so, I do it with my fingers.
yes, its even in public. I don't mind as I think if the people around
me had the same problem, they would have developed the custom of
eating by fingers and at that time, eating with spoon would have been
rather unacceptable custom. say for example, for eating 'Dosa',
another well known south Indian meal, the same people cannot use
spoon or any other tool and inevitably they eat by fingers. so, I
conclude, if sighted people make customs based on their
conveniences, why cannot we follow them according to our
conveniences? these are my personal
views and you have right to differ in yours.
Umesha
----- Original Message ----- From: "akhilesh"
<[email protected]>
To: "Mujtaba Merchant" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 04 April, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
Hold the fork gentlly, while you're in confusing state. However,
the empty fork situation seems dificult to avoid during some last
moments of the eating affairs.
On 4/4/12, Mujtaba Merchant <[email protected]> wrote:
Why feel concerned and embarrassed about an issue like not being
able to fork something on your plate? It is not that you are doing
it on purpose or you have a choice of avoiding this situation.
Trust me you are not the only one that can't fork something on your
plate, I many times have put an empty fork in my mouth and
sometimes have hurt my mouth too. It happens and I just learned to
live with it, so did my friends and social network.
Relax, its not the end of the world or anything remotely close.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohit Shah Shah
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 2:17 AM
Subject: [AI] It's all about using a fork for Mohit the Dork!
Hi all,
This time, my question is not as weird as all my other questions
have
been so far.
My question is related to using a fork.
So, I usually use a fork for having things like pasta, noodles,
brownies, etc.
However, sometimes, the thing which I'm attempting to have
doesn't
stick in the fork, so my fork remains empty.
So, this can be a bit awkward in social situations.
My question is, is there a more definitive way of getting more
success
with using a fork?
Is there a better way to ensure that the piece which does
actually
stick to the fork is not too big?
Please do answer this question ASAP.
Controversially yours,
Mohit
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