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>    2. FW: [SayEverything] Sympathy not the solution (Asudani, Rajesh)
>    3. Re: accessibility future in India (Kotian, H P)
>    4. is there negative marking in UGC Net third paper and nature
>       of      questions (Shona Man)
>    5. Re: Denial of banking facilities (Ekinath Khedekar)
>    6. Re: Denial of banking facilities (Kavitha)
>    7. webvizum problem (Kiran Baug)
>    8. Re: Skype on E5 (amit patel)
>    9. Re: Skype on E5 (Ajay Minocha)
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> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:28:41 +0530
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> Subject: [AI] FW: [SayEverything] Sympathy not the solution
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> Sympathy not the solution
>   Rahul Cherian
>   The Hindu
>   The Constitution must be amended to prohibit discrimination against the
> disabled and to bring them into the mainstream
> In his column in The Hindu on June 11, 2012 titled "One Simple Step to
> Increase our GDP," Aamir Khan makes an important observation - how we behave
> with the disabled among us tells us what kind of a people we are. And by
> that standard, India is not the kid you would want to be best friends with
> in school. Mr. Khan argues that the lack of education of the disabled is the
> problem and that education is the solution to the problem, which will also
> possibly lead to an increase in the GDP of the nation. We however believe
> that the problem is much more fundamental than that, and that the main
> barrier to a progressive and inclusive approach to persons with disabilities
> is the current framework of the Constitution itself.
>
> Rights and Acts
>
> The rights of persons with disabilities are sketchily enshrined in various
> Acts of Parliament - the Mental Health Act, 1987 (to regulate mental health
> services), the National Trust Act, 1999 (for creation and monitoring of a
> trust for the welfare of persons with autism, cerebral palsy, mental
> retardation and multiple disabilities), the Rehabilitation Council of India
> Act, 1992 (to regulate rehabilitation services), and the Persons with
> Disabilities Act, 1995 (for everything else). All of these Acts do, in fact,
> achieve the objective of treating the disabled as a different class
> altogether - which is the premise of the law on disability in India.
>
> India is a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of
> Persons with Disabilities which specifically states that persons with
> disabilities are to be treated as equals to persons without disabilities. In
> his column, Mr. Khan cites instances where persons with disabilities have
> been looked upon as those unloved by god - and we would venture to state
> that this is eerily reminiscent of the treatment meted out for centuries
> against those classified as "untouchables." It took years of campaigning and
> awareness to eradicate, to some extent, such approaches, but what is
> undeniable is that Article 17 of the Constitution, which prohibits the
> practice of untouchability, has helped eradicate it to a great extent. The
> historic experience of untouchability in India meant that the Constitution
> was designed to respond to such discrimination.
>
> In a sense, having a disability forces the person to be excluded from all
> aspects of society, including with respect to education, workplace,
> transportation, access to public places and everywhere else for that matter.
> It is not far from the truth to say that the denial of access makes persons
> with disabilities outcastes. And the fault begins with the Constitution.
> Disabled people will be able to articulate their moral and political
> citizenship only when they move away from a benign charity model to a
> constitutional framework of equal rights. The Constitution in Articles 15
> (1) and (2) - which are in Chapter III relating to Fundamental Rights - has
> an extremely robust provision relating to prohibition of discrimination on
> the basis of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth. This provision
> prohibits discrimination not only by the State but also by citizens with
> respect to access to shops, hotels, public restaurants and places of public
> entertainment, among others. Moreover, the Constitution also permits the
> State to make special provisions for the advancement of any socially and
> educationally backward classes of citizens or for the Scheduled Castes and
> the Scheduled Tribes.
>
> Amendment of Articles
>
> However, persons with disabilities have no similar protection from
> discrimination under the Constitution. Nor does the Constitution prescribe
> that special provisions can be taken to ensure that persons with
> disabilities are included in society. Given this Constitutional framework,
> all downstream law-making relating to persons with disabilities is based on
> sympathy and the mood of the law makers at the given time and not based on
> the recognition of the fundamental rights of persons with disabilities. No
> wonder then that the 100 million people with disabilities remain outside the
> ambit of what is considered "society."
>
> Makes political sense
>
> Thus we come to the Holy Grail for the disability movement in India - the
> amendment of Articles 15 (1) and (2) to include the word "disability" as one
> of the grounds on which discrimination shall be prohibited. But adding this
> word may not be enough and we must go further. Unlike other classes of
> citizens, mere non-discrimination will not bring the disabled population
> into the mainstream since persons with disabilities require further
> affirmative action in terms of removal of barriers, customisation of
> products and services and accommodation in almost every sphere of life.
> Therefore, coupled with the amendments mentioned above, a new Article 15 (6)
> should be added to the effect that nothing in the Constitution shall prevent
> the State from making any special provision for the advancement of persons
> with disabilities including to ensure that the State and citizens remove
> barriers and provide accommodation to persons with disabilities.
>
> These amendments to the Constitution will ensure that each and every law can
> then be viewed through the lens of the fundamental rights of persons with
> disabilities, whether it is the laws relating to banking, to insurance, to
> food security or any other. And if the law is found wanting, then it can be
> struck down as unconstitutional. Canada, South Africa and Sri Lanka have
> explicitly recognised the fundamental rights of persons with disabilities.
> Now is the time for India to do the same. It even makes sense politically,
> since persons with disabilities constitute a significant vote bank.
>
> Is this an ambitious dream? Yes. Much like the legalities relating to the
> Right to Education and the ensuing controversy, this will place a burden on
> establishments, both public and private, to make themselves accessible. Is
> this an impossible task? Not really. With political will backed by
> innovative funding methods and judicious public spending it is possible for
> India to be completely inclusive by 2022. This will be the perfect way to
> celebrate India's 75th Independence Day. After all, equality is the Holy
> Grail to becoming truly independent.
>
> (Rahul Cherian and Amba Salelkar are lawyers with Inclusive Planet Centre
> for Disability Law and Policy.)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:35:21 +0530
> From: "Kotian, H P" <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility future in India
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vivekananda [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 21 June 2012 07:55
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility future in India
>
> hai friend, talking about government offices 95% blind persons working
> in delhi use jaws crack version, government is not ready to purchase
> jaws full version. If you have any doubt  contact me i can take you to
> all offices. Vivekananda,  ph,9868954833
>
> On 6/21/12, Siddharth  Kalantri <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> I wanted to know what is the future path of accessibility in India in
>> Goverments  in law and other works of life what are we trying to do  as a
>> group :). i know lot of people doing lot of good work in the areas but
>> what
>> are our needs and wants from goverments , Corporates and Courts.
>>
>> are we pushing for software being sold should be  accessible in india or
>> phones  equipments should have  a screen reader support etc. is there a
>> law
>> in india uptil now or its just  not done uptil now ?
>>
>> Siddharth
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:36:21 +0530
> From: Shona Man <[email protected]>
> To: accessindia <[email protected]>
> Subject: [AI] is there negative marking in UGC Net third paper and
>       nature of       questions
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> Hi friends we know that UGC net first two papers do not have negative
> marking but the notification is silent about third paper regarding
> negative marking. so tell me is there negative marking in third paper
> this time as it will be objective type of paper?
> tell one another thing that what may be nature of the questions as
> there will be only 75 questions in third paper and time will be 2.5
> hrs in general where we will be given 45 minutes extra, I think this
> time is more then sufficient to solve 75 questions. I think the
> questions will be passage based which will take more time whats your
> opinion as to the nature of the questions of third paper?
> --
> LL.M candidate
>  at Faculty of Law in University of Delhi
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:36:28 +0530
> From: Ekinath Khedekar <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] Denial of banking facilities
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> @ Mr./Ms. Tendulkar,
>
> Pl. share details or for direct solution contact XRCVC on
>
> 022 22623298
>
> Or simply, download circulars from
>
> www.xrcvc.org
>
> and throw it on the face of your branch manager who are first of all
> ignorant and more over, arrogant.
>
> Bottomline,
> You have all the rights to avail of any service provided by banks;
> account, ATM, online, loans, credit cards etc. etc.
>
> And no extra process required.
>
> rgds
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/13/12, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote:
>> All
>>
>> We are making some efforts to collect data on the type and extent of
>> denial
>> of banking services despite favourable regulatory norms.
>>
>> One of the difficulty to confront this problem is the lack of
>> documentation.
>> As the banks reject the application orally and don't give anything in
>> writing there is nothing to fall back on to take this ahead.
>>
>> One of our member anticipating a negative reply recorded the
>> conversation,
>> we need more of such examples to prove the violation is not merely some
>> isolated incident.
>>
>> Folks all who have been denied banking facility do something similar and
>> help us with enough evidences to take this issue forward.
>>
>> Please write to me directly on [email protected].
>>
>> May I expect responses by June 30?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Harish Kotian.
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:46:50 +0530
> From: "Kavitha" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Denial of banking facilities
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> I just dialled that number and a lady picked up and said, we are not dealing
>
> with such problems.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ekinath Khedekar" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Denial of banking facilities
>
>
> @ Mr./Ms. Tendulkar,
>
> Pl. share details or for direct solution contact XRCVC on
>
> 022 22623298
>
> Or simply, download circulars from
>
> www.xrcvc.org
>
> and throw it on the face of your branch manager who are first of all
> ignorant and more over, arrogant.
>
> Bottomline,
> You have all the rights to avail of any service provided by banks;
> account, ATM, online, loans, credit cards etc. etc.
>
> And no extra process required.
>
> rgds
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/13/12, Kotian, H P <[email protected]> wrote:
>> All
>>
>> We are making some efforts to collect data on the type and extent of
>> denial
>> of banking services despite favourable regulatory norms.
>>
>> One of the difficulty to confront this problem is the lack of
>> documentation.
>> As the banks reject the application orally and don't give anything in
>> writing there is nothing to fall back on to take this ahead.
>>
>> One of our member anticipating a negative reply recorded the
>> conversation,
>> we need more of such examples to prove the violation is not merely some
>> isolated incident.
>>
>> Folks all who have been denied banking facility do something similar and
>> help us with enough evidences to take this issue forward.
>>
>> Please write to me directly on [email protected].
>>
>> May I expect responses by June 30?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Harish Kotian.
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:54:18 +0530
> From: Kiran Baug <[email protected]>
> To: accessindia <[email protected]>
> Subject: [AI] webvizum problem
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> Members,
>
> Please tell me webvizum is working or not as it is not working in my end.
>
> Regards,
> Kiran Baug
>
> --
> Kiran Baug
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:08:55 +0530
> From: amit patel <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] Skype on E5
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> please if you can share.
>
> On 6/20/12, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi sir,
>> Do tell me if you want direct installer.
>> regards
>>
>> On 6/20/12, manya sharma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> please download skype from www.getjar.com, install and enjoy.
>>>
>>> On 6/20/12, Surajsingh Jogi Rabale TTC <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dear Access Indians,
>>>> Want to know if anybody is using skype on E5? If yes, then please
>>>> contact
>>>> me
>>>> through Email at
>>>> [email protected]
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Contact 9930137525/8767961905
>>>>
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>> --
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:24:21 +0530
> From: Ajay Minocha <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AI] Skype on E5
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> Hi all,
> As I said download skype for nokia c5 e5 and all other symbian s60 v3
> phones from the link given below.
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23669320/Skype_S60_3_0_v_1_5_0_12.sisx
> regards
>
> On 6/21/12, amit patel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> please if you can share.
>>
>> On 6/20/12, Ajay Minocha <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hi sir,
>>> Do tell me if you want direct installer.
>>> regards
>>>
>>> On 6/20/12, manya sharma <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> please download skype from www.getjar.com, install and enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/12, Surajsingh Jogi Rabale TTC <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Access Indians,
>>>>> Want to know if anybody is using skype on E5? If yes, then please
>>>>> contact
>>>>> me
>>>>> through Email at
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Contact 9930137525/8767961905
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