On 2/27/13, srikanth bolla <presidentsrika...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't understand how does this model event helps blind people to come in
> to main streaming?  Does that mean no blind couple got married so far?  How
> do they judge couples based on the application? I would appreciate all
> these
> big big organizations and guests to provide main stream employment and
> educational opportunities rather than providing gifts, gold and money which
> are not sustainable for once career.   These organizations may give
> temporary money and gifts but what about the entire career?  Thank you.
> Regards,
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>    1. Re: PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
>       (Himanshu Sahu)
>    2. Re: PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
>       (Himanshu Sahu)
>    3. Re: PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
>       (Asudani, Rajesh)
>    4. about the mass wedding at Paravoor (reem shamsudeen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:22:11 +0530
> From: Himanshu Sahu <sahu.himanshu2...@gmail.com>
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
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> On 2/24/13, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> By Express News Service - PARAVOOR
>> 24th February 2013 09:22 AM
>> Photos
>>  The mass wedding of visually challenged couples, held by the Lioness
>> Board, the women?s wing of the Lion?s Club of District 318 C, at
>> Paravoor, on Saturday. As part of bringing physically handicapped
>> people into the mainstream, Lioness Board, the women?s wing of the
>> Lion?s Club, of  District 318 C, held a mass wedding that saw 18
>> visually challenged couples taking marital vows at Paravoor on
>> Saturday.
>> http://newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/article1476830.ece
>> ?Porutham 2013?, held at Paravoor Vyapara Bhavan, was inaugurated by
>> Lions Club district governor Abraham Panjikkaran. Union Minister for
>> Food and Civil Supplies K V Thomas was the chief guest at the
>> function.
>>
>> While delivering the keynote address, Thomas said that the mass
>> wedding would be a model for the nation, and the event was an occasion
>> to learn how a society could be responsible.
>>
>> The couples were presented with 2.5 sovereigns of gold ornaments each
>> and `15,000 in cash.
>>
>> The money was distributed by municipal chairperson Valsala
>> Prasannakumar and actor  Mythili. Aluva Rural SP Satish Bino
>> distributed financial aid for enabling self-employment for the
>> visually challenged couples.
>>
>> From 102 clubs under District 318 C, dresses and household utensils,
>> including pressure cookers, were given as gifts to the newly-weds.
>> Club president Indira Bai Prasad, secretary Susheela Varghese, Prof
>> Monamma Kokkad, chief co-ordinator A Rajan, Human Rights Commission
>> chairman Justice Benjamin Koshy offered felicitations.
>>
>> Out of the 205 applicants, 18 couples were selected. The club would
>> conduct a mass wedding for 50 couples in 2014, said Indira Bai Prasad.
>>
>> --
>> Avinash Shahi
>> MPhil Research Scholar
>> Centre for the Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University
>> New Delhi India
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:23:39 +0530
> From: Himanshu Sahu <sahu.himanshu2...@gmail.com>
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
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> (sorry for earlier blank mail)
> Dear Avinash,
> I appreciate your sharp observation and opinion about various aspects
> of so called ?mainstream?. This encourages me to explore other
> dimensions of the issue and provides me the opportunity to participate
> in this constructive and healthy discussion.
>
> As we talk about accessibility, equality, freedom to choose profession
> and lifestyle, our reference points are those standards norms in the
> very society where we live or dream about to live.
> For example, we demand tactile on railway/metro platforms, equality of
> opportunity in different aspects of society (which is compared with
> sighted people), we fight for identification of those jobs for VIs for
> which we are forbidden from getting in.
> All of these because we wish to perform and experience the same things
> without any hurdle which sighted people do. Of course, in this
> ?mainstream? also wickedness exist and already defined as ?bad? in the
> evolution of human society and positively we cheer the values which
> are defined as ?good?.
> Further we often judge against standards of our skills with those set
> by this sighted world, we try to match it, we try to get it approved
> by this sighted world only. In a nutshell, we try to imitate all those
> ?good? through which we are accepted in this mainstream.
> Now the issue comes about marrying with non-disabled. Here I would
> like to turn the very question upside down!
> Instead of focusing on how many disabled are interested and married
> with non-disabled, and whether blind should marry with blind or
> sighted, let us concentrate on how many non-disabled are interested in
> marrying with disabled and, in this particular context, as well as
> other similar past and future events, how much of non-disabled
> volunteered on their own or through the persuasion of event organising
> NGOs.
>
> I am sure, the number would be insignificant. So, here I again turn
> back to my original question, ?how it helps to brings disabled into
> mainstream?? And ?how the article claims the same without propounding
> eh new definition of ?mainstream??
>
> Not long back, we use to hear that we are disabled, deprived,
> disadvantaged and even to the extent of sinner. But with the changing
> scenario, now we are talked as differently abled, capable, equal and
> mere an abnormality of body not of mind, soul and intellect.
> With the reference of these shifting notions, at least in the
> cherished conceptions and theories, the question arises that how much
> impact it has made on the mind-set of those with whom we have to deal
> on a day-to-day basis. Do we experience the same affection which our
> sighted friends offer to other sighted one? Do they fall into our love
> as they do easily with our sighted counterparts while interacting
> during studies, work and other activities?
> Here underlies the answer of the question whether marrying with
> non-disabled is enough to be called in a mainstream? Obviously, its
> not enough, but a very significant indicator demonstrating that those
> who are in mainstream are not distinguishing between disability and
> non-disability. This is a higher stage of acceptance which can be
> evolved only through love, regular interaction, extreme sensitivity,
> and of extreme kindness. Of these, acceptance through kindness is not
> tolerable for many, including me.
> Of course, marrying of blind with other blind does not have anything
> to question about, as I also feel that it offers a considerable level
> of compatibility of thoughts and experience, but not tangible
> comfirtibility. But as pointed by one of the members, what message it
> gives to society is a matter of concern. Aren?t we defining our own
> boundaries and imposing confinements on our own flight?
>
> One of our female members raised the issue of male chauvinism and
> highlighted the various aspects of the relationships and companionship
> within our community. Here I too have to touch upon the rationality of
> marriages in this fast moving world.
> This is not an exclusive phenomenon of VI community; in fact, this is
> just an extension of this sighted world or ?mainstream?. We solemnize
> a marriage after getting satisfied with certain material attributes
> apart from the emotional, viz., body, beauty, income, family,
> education and so on.
> This is a feature more or less followed by our community members as
> well. For example, a well educated girl/boy belonging to well-to-do
> family, in a normal course of marriage (as an arrange marriage, not
> love marriage) may look for a VI boy/girl of same background, but not
> for an uneducated having poor economic condition (exceptions are
> always welcome). In fact, to my shock, in VI community we (specially
> parents) still think of getting a VI partner of same religion and
> cast.
> The other aspect of marrying within the community may expose the dark
> reality of marriage and attached with it, the concept of profit and
> loss in terms of percentage of eyesight. My observation is that even
> within blind community partial blindness is preferred and full
> blindness is neglected irrespective of male or female. In this regard,
> I feel that a scientific approach, taking into consideration the
> tangible challenges of blindness, a partial, irrespective of male or
> female, should marry with a full blind and vice-versa. It offers the
> satisfaction of companionship with fewer hardships.
> This practice may ease the resentment and aggravation of not being
> accepted by so called ?mainstream? and as I have been repeatedly
> pointing out, may serve as an alternative and exclusive model of
> ?mainstream?, at least in the context of marriage of VIs and even for
> cross-disability based on scientific rationales.
> However, personally I am a proponent of the notion that blind should
> go for sighted one subject to the fulfillment of desired qualities.
> This may be because still I cherish the freedom enjoyed in my sighted
> days and feel comfortable with my surroundings which are of course,
> ?mainstream? for me!
>
> Now, in my personal capacity I would like to ponder upon the questions
> raised by you.
>
> 1.    NGOs are supposed to indulge into activities related with
> rehabilitation, welfare and empowerment. And marriage of VIs is
> definitely a complicated proposition. So, here NGOs offering such
> platform should be seen as facilitating one of the welfare measures.
> But a deliberate wide publicity given to such events, in no respect
> should claim it as an attempt to bring VIs into ?mainstream?.
> 2.     A significant number of adult blind people form a part of such
> events because still we are unorganized; we are not able to find
> suitable partners in our personal and familial capacity. It is more
> difficult, as pointed by another member, to those who are from poor
> financial and uneducated background. Undeniably, such mass-marriages
> accompanied with material support help many.
> And, definitely marriage is a cherished goal for any adult whether
> physically challenged or physically fit!
> And I am also one of the eligible candidates amongst them! (Smile)!
>
> Ending my mail here, I apologize for its being lengthy and pointing
> some of harsh realities. But these are wholly my personal views and do
> not intend to hurt or demoralize anybody in person.
> Hope to get further opinions of learned members on the issue?
>
>
> On 2/26/13, Himanshu Sahu <sahu.himanshu2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/24/13, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> By Express News Service - PARAVOOR
>>> 24th February 2013 09:22 AM
>>> Photos
>>>  The mass wedding of visually challenged couples, held by the Lioness
>>> Board, the women?s wing of the Lion?s Club of District 318 C, at
>>> Paravoor, on Saturday. As part of bringing physically handicapped
>>> people into the mainstream, Lioness Board, the women?s wing of the
>>> Lion?s Club, of  District 318 C, held a mass wedding that saw 18
>>> visually challenged couples taking marital vows at Paravoor on
>>> Saturday.
>>> http://newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/article1476830.ece
>>> ?Porutham 2013?, held at Paravoor Vyapara Bhavan, was inaugurated by
>>> Lions Club district governor Abraham Panjikkaran. Union Minister for
>>> Food and Civil Supplies K V Thomas was the chief guest at the
>>> function.
>>>
>>> While delivering the keynote address, Thomas said that the mass
>>> wedding would be a model for the nation, and the event was an occasion
>>> to learn how a society could be responsible.
>>>
>>> The couples were presented with 2.5 sovereigns of gold ornaments each
>>> and `15,000 in cash.
>>>
>>> The money was distributed by municipal chairperson Valsala
>>> Prasannakumar and actor  Mythili. Aluva Rural SP Satish Bino
>>> distributed financial aid for enabling self-employment for the
>>> visually challenged couples.
>>>
>>> From 102 clubs under District 318 C, dresses and household utensils,
>>> including pressure cookers, were given as gifts to the newly-weds.
>>> Club president Indira Bai Prasad, secretary Susheela Varghese, Prof
>>> Monamma Kokkad, chief co-ordinator A Rajan, Human Rights Commission
>>> chairman Justice Benjamin Koshy offered felicitations.
>>>
>>> Out of the 205 applicants, 18 couples were selected. The club would
>>> conduct a mass wedding for 50 couples in 2014, said Indira Bai Prasad.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Avinash Shahi
>>> MPhil Research Scholar
>>> Centre for the Study of Law and Governance
>>> Jawaharlal Nehru University
>>> New Delhi India
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:58:15 +0530
> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
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> Firstly, I am not comforted by the thought that mainstream is a myth.
> Secondly, marrying a disabled or not, is surely a personal choice but
> disabled couples surely face much more hurdles and as a rule, are not
> well-included in the mainstream of the society.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:10 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
>
> I'm glad to read conflicting claims with regard to 'Mass Marriage Melange'.
>
> and thought to join in this vibrant discussion and deliberation.
>
> Facilitating mass marriages of visually challenged has become an
> entrepreneurial come social-service self-satisfying practice these
> days.
> in fact in many parts of the country, specially in mega metros and
> mini metros, scores of marriages are arranged, and solemnized.
> This growing phenomena raises many questions.
> 1. Is getting married to a non-disabled really take you in the domain
> of 'mainstream'?
> When Actor seeks actress for marriage, player looks player for
> marriage, poet desires  poetess for marriage, then why can't blind man
> marry to a blind woman?
>
> Now question begs attention, who defines mainstream?
> and is marrying to a non-disabled is enough to be called in the mainstream?
> I don't think so.
> Choice of marriage is purely subjective. and if so called mainstream
> occupants are morally bbound to accomodate marginalized, hence
> marginalised have an ethical duty towards their fellow beings
> irrespective of jender.
> Marriage is not a constitutional right which one can expect from so
> called mainstream people to accomodate the rest from  the periphery.
> Marriage entails: mutual respect, equal concerns, and and love along
> with sacrifice.
> And mainstream is a myth, which celebrates untouchability, cheers
> masculinity, and despises disability.
>
> Now will leave with two more questions Which need further
> contemplation, but I'm not in a position to take any view; hope many
> people here will put some light on these questions.
> 1. Why NGOs Which are traditionally supposed to facilitate educational
> and employable empowerment of visually challenged has picked  up new
> attractive dimention in  their spheres to organize marriage of
> visually challenged?
> 2. And why adult blind people flock in huge numbers to seek spouse via
> these NGOs?
>
> On 2/25/13, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>> I am compelled to congratulate Himanshu for his scientific approach..
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
>> Of Himanshu Sahu
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] PARAVOOR:Mass wedding held for visually challenged
>>
>> Hello,
>> Let me be very specific with the topic,
>>
>> 1.      It does not make any difference to me that which organization
>> organized the mass wedding or what they have done earlier in this
>> respect. This may be of liking to those who are involved in it or
>> benefitted through it and publicizing it. Further I do not deny the
>> necessity of such mass marriages and appreciate the initiative. But
>> still my simple question remains unanswered that "how it brings VIs
>> into mainstream"?
>> 2.      Well, knowing me personally is not going to solve your confusion,
>> but for the sake of correcting your hypothesis I am compelled to
>> inform you that I lost eyesight 10 years back and have been the member
>> of list for last 4 years. And I too know many of VI couples friends.
>> But here as well, as earlier, I am not able to understand that being
>> new or old member of list, and, knowing VI couples or not, is how come
>> related with the issue of bringing VIs into mainstream?
>> 3.      In answer to your next question, I would only say that marrying
>> within community or outside community and whether blind couple are
>> happy or not, is a broad topic and I am not interested to deviate from
>> the actual topic that is "how it brings VIs into mainstream"?
>>
>> Friend, in the zeal of getting your project acclaimed aren't you
>> trying to establish a plain charitable mass marriage as inclusion of
>> VIs into mainstream? Definitely mass marriage is a part of
>> rehabilitation but not the inclusion into mainstream. I would have
>> rather appreciated it if all VIs were married with sighted
>> counterparts and then one would have called it as an attempt to
>> bringing VIs into mainstream. Still the sighted world is well-known
>> and well-established "mainstream" and all of hue and cry made by VI
>> community has more or less similar theme to get incorporated into this
>> mainstream as we are kept secluded from it.
>>
>> For the better clarification of the term "mainstream", please refer to
>> the below mentioned some of the dictionary meanings of the term:
>> "To incorporate into the prevailing group"
>> "Representing the prevalent attitudes and values of a society or groups"
>> And, "normal", "typical", "conventional" etc.
>>
>> So, it demonstrates that what we are talking about is not an attempt
>> of incorporation into mainstream, and if one wishes to deny it have to
>> innovate or forcefully create a new definition of incorporation into
>> mainstream! And I extend my best wishes to those who want to do this
>> novel Endeavour.
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/13, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> By Express News Service - PARAVOOR
>>> 24th February 2013 09:22 AM
>>> Photos
>>>  The mass wedding of visually challenged couples, held by the Lioness
>>> Board, the women's wing of the Lion's Club of District 318 C, at
>>> Paravoor, on Saturday. As part of bringing physically handicapped
>>> people into the mainstream, Lioness Board, the women's wing of the
>>> Lion's Club, of  District 318 C, held a mass wedding that saw 18
>>> visually challenged couples taking marital vows at Paravoor on
>>> Saturday.
>>> http://newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/article1476830.ece
>>> 'Porutham 2013', held at Paravoor Vyapara Bhavan, was inaugurated by
>>> Lions Club district governor Abraham Panjikkaran. Union Minister for
>>> Food and Civil Supplies K V Thomas was the chief guest at the
>>> function.
>>>
>>> While delivering the keynote address, Thomas said that the mass
>>> wedding would be a model for the nation, and the event was an occasion
>>> to learn how a society could be responsible.
>>>
>>> The couples were presented with 2.5 sovereigns of gold ornaments each
>>> and `15,000 in cash.
>>>
>>> The money was distributed by municipal chairperson Valsala
>>> Prasannakumar and actor  Mythili. Aluva Rural SP Satish Bino
>>> distributed financial aid for enabling self-employment for the
>>> visually challenged couples.
>>>
>>> From 102 clubs under District 318 C, dresses and household utensils,
>>> including pressure cookers, were given as gifts to the newly-weds.
>>> Club president Indira Bai Prasad, secretary Susheela Varghese, Prof
>>> Monamma Kokkad, chief co-ordinator A Rajan, Human Rights Commission
>>> chairman Justice Benjamin Koshy offered felicitations.
>>>
>>> Out of the 205 applicants, 18 couples were selected. The club would
>>> conduct a mass wedding for 50 couples in 2014, said Indira Bai Prasad.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Avinash Shahi
>>> MPhil Research Scholar
>>> Centre for the Study of Law and Governance
>>> Jawaharlal Nehru University
>>> New Delhi India
>>>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:23:43 +0530
> From: reem shamsudeen <reemshamsud...@gmail.com>
> To: accessindia <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: [AI] about the mass wedding at Paravoor
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> dear Himanshu and friends, it is great to base my point from the view
> of a scientificaly proven statement about "mainstream". meanwhile,
> thanks Avinash for clearing my way to it. Himanshu, i know that you
> were answering to Habeeb's quaries. i am not interested in such
> intervensions. the only thing i wanted to assert here is that if
> "mainstream" means practising the prevailing, then it should be
> cleared that in the present society what is the prevailing practise...
> here i am talking about a society which is divided, and subdivided on
> religion, caste, community, rich and poor, and which uphold millions
> of practises. here who decides if you are mainstream or not, ofcourse,
> your social and economic status. now, leaving these so called deciding
> factors aside which are definitely societal, and personaly not my cup
> of tea, i am really worried if my accessindian friends who are
> "educated", "enlightened" believe that the Visually Impaired community
> live in darkness. as Europeans put it, is it the "whitemans burden" of
> the sighted people to bring us to the real light? really sorry to say
> this, you are still surrendering your identity, dignity and even
> yourself.... we all must have been friends with both the communities,
> visually impaired and the sighted.. and we all must have guided by
> both the communities in different ways. we should not forget our
> qualities and strength, even when we make hue and cry about ourselves
> being included among the non-disabled people. dear friend,
> "mainstream" is that concept even accademissions are trying to
> dismandle. ofcourse we have problems, and they are our major weekness.
>  to survive with it, it is our duty to find out alternatives to
> resolve these problems, and in our ways ofcourse, we should seek
> support from our fellow beings. but i believe that seeking support,
> and making partners are two different things.
> thanks
>
>
>
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>totaly agree with you

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