The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
accessible
means also.
PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site
is
one
of the most secured one.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz
robbers
know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using
randomization
logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
different
requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather
it's
for
the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine
human
user and not via some robotic program or script.
Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out
robotic
attempts include:
1. The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.
2. Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time
out.
3. Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
non-responsive or even unavailable.
4. Data loss and inconsistency
How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
end-users?
1. The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying
experience
would that be!
2. The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
hour,
he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
being
heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site
unavailable
for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!
Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but
the
ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to
continue
using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
alternative ideas and innovation.
Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA
have
a
purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better
alternatives
do
exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built
mechanism
to
solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.
Best Regards,
Zujar..
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of
this
capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a
software
for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have
entered
all
my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their,
how
this
will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side
because
my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my
debit
card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody
hack
my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of
making
payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see
this
capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hozefa Tambawala" < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled." < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
The purpose of CAPTCHA can better be understood by the persons who
are
working in IT field. I am studying in IT and can say it is essential
to implement CAPTCHA on certain websites. I completely agree that the
visually challenged persons find it difficult to solve CAPTCHA due to
the negligence of site developer as they do not consider such
aspects.
But this issue can easily be overcome by educating them about other
alternatives for CAPTCHA implementation.
On 7/23/14, bhawani shankar verma < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:
what about that person who is having fearing deficiency? also if
anyone is viewing the page with 2g connectivity or slow internet
connectivity then it
takes more time to get that audio and the matter wil and with server
time out message. this capture code must entirely be removed from
all
websites.
there is no need of this code. it is nothing more than a fobia.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hozefa Tambawala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:10 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
If you listen the audio CAPTCHA carefully, then you will able to
fill
out the write code. I too have faced difficulties while using the
audio CAPTCHA initially, but now have become use to it.
On 7/20/14, bhawani shankar verma < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:
it is very easy. register your pan number in incometax website.
login there
and fill the form ITR1 for salaried and pentioners. fill all the
information. if you are not sure, don't press the submit button,
you
can save your draft by pressing save button. hope that while
registering and loging in yourself you will cross the capture code
barrier.
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From: "Manoj" < <mailto:[email protected]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
mr. bhawani
how visually impaired tax payer file their itr online?
On 7/19/2014 6:57 PM, bhawani shankar verma wrote:
on the ground of security the website owners have no right to
make
their
website inaccisible. if the webvisum can capture the code and
convert in
in to text, then definetly other can develop malatious software
to
capture such codes. may be the hackers don't know about this
webvisum.
e.g. incometax efiling website i put my pan card as a user ID,
password and my date of birth, what this capture is doing there
as
I have put all
my cridentials? Even sometimes sighted persons can not recognise
those capture.
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
CAPTCHA is not the only way of circumventing robotic attacks,
there exist better alternatives. I've mentioned a few in the
previous email and list members have suggested alternatives like
mobile OTP, simple mathematical calculation, etc.
Security is one of the primary concerns that web sites have in
today's world and cannot be ruled out. It's about how smart and
accessible it is made
so
that genuine users can easily use it and malicious users can be
identified and kept away from achieving their goals.
Best Regards,
Zujar..
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From: AccessIndia [
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On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 19 July 2014 07:34 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
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Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
on the name of security I can't support at all this capture
code.
webvisum
is not a solution it is just a tool to help. what would i do at
a
time if the webvisum server is not working in emergancy? and it
accepts only
20
hits
a day, sometimes in my office I have to make 30 to 40 online
income tax payment, is it fair to call each and everry time to
my
sighted colleague?
If you will support this on the name of security, no website
will
remove this capture code. it is just a fobia and nothing more
then that.
instead of
wasting our time in discussing the matter better a strong action
should
be
taken against this capture. we have already many discussions
regarding this problem but got no result at all. I request you
all to please go ahead for conclusive action or end this topic
here right now. this is a plateform
of
inteligent people and in my opinion the discussion of
intelligent
people never concludes. instead it converts in arguement. I am
completely blind
and
my screen reader don't read this capture. this is one line
question and
I
did not get any absolute answer from this group.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
To: < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
Hi!
The CAPTCHA is primarily introduced by web sites to key bots at
bay.
They address security and web traffic concerns but their
inaccessibility pose challenges for users like us who cannot
see
images. Audio based and random, obvious questions in plain text
form can prove helpful to us but web sites definitely need to
be
smarter enough to filter out bad/malicious requests using
better
aalternatives. For example:
1. ICICI Direct asks for PAN or date of birth along with User
ID
and Passwird on the login screen.
HDFC Bank has a two-step login process where step 1 accepts
only
User ID and validates it. If correct then it takes the user to
step 2 where user specified secure code and picture are
displayed for user verification and accepts the password along
with a confirmation whether the secure code and picture are
correct.
3. LinkedIn asks for solving CAPTCHA only when a user enters
incorrect credentials in the sign-in attempt (though this is
good fir users entering correct credentials in the first
attempt, it's not so good for others).
The OTP on mobile is good but again a dependency on the phone
being registered with the site and being available with the
user.
Webvisum on the Firefox browser is of great help in solving
such
CAPTCHA. I've successfully filed my IT returns on the e-filing
site without requiring any sighted assistance.
Note that pasting from the clipboard is not allowed in the
CAPTCHA box on the e-filing web site. So you may either
memorize
it or paste it to Notepad and read it from there while signing
in.
A word of caution - Do not enter credentials before solving the
CAPTCHA using WebVisum as it may submit your credentials to
WebVisum which is insecure.
On 7/18/14, bhawani shankar verma <
<mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:
you can file ITR online. it is accessible with jaws. but,
before login you have to type the image capture. I have a
strong opinion to file a petition against govt of india
regarding this capture code and full accessibility of
all the websites including private sector service providers
like telecom, electricity, banking etc.
I also can not understand why these people are stucked with
java.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alok Kaushik" < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
To: < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
Hi,
Income tax department has released Java based income tax
return forms that
are completely inaccessible with JAWS. Excel version was
partially accessible but it is still not available for ITR 4.
For other ITRs excel version of forms was recently released.
I want to chek on the following points.
1. Has anyone already taken up this issue with the income tax
department?
2. Does anyone know the concerned person(s) or department
within IT department that can be contacted for this?
I have already inquired several times on the e-filing
helpline
number.
Of course, the matter can be reported to CCPD but for now I
am
looking for
the concerned people or team in the income tax department.
Thanks.
Alok
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