Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problem
yes, I would be the firtst to join your action. but, suggest a logical solution. I am also against the audio capture. how the deaf-blind people will access this audio captcha. accessibility means accessible to all, not to the members of accessindia.-----Original Message----- From: Sheik MohammedaliSent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:50 AMTo: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled.Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problem Dear Bhawani ji,Indeed you hold the effectual point no doubt but, rather removing the entiremechanism better if we aproach to make it accesible by developing some alternative to tackle this. let us not give up, why don't we formulate an action plan on this?----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <[email protected]>To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemok then I should withdraw my petition from ccpd. where I demanded to remove the entire capture. I am sorry if would not demand to remove the entire capture, they will do nothing even for alternate solution. if you will demand for 100% you will achieve 80 or 90% if you will demand 60% ofcourse, will obtain less than 30 and get failled.thanks and sorry. thank you, now I am to say nothing on this topic.-----Original Message----- From: Hozefa TambawalaSent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:16 AMTo: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled.Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problem Dear Bhawani, We tried our best to make you understand that why the CAPTCHA is necessary to implement on the website but still you are not ready to except it. For the sake of accessibility we just can't demand to remove any features / measures which are vital to the website because they are inaccessible to us. Rather than it would be good approach to notify the website administrators about it and suggest them for other alternatives. I wonder you are not aware how the website functions behind the seen. The folks studied in web development can easily understand this. If you have any contacts of web developers you can take their views regarding to this and I 100% say they will strongly disagree on your point. Finally, if you wish to know what happens if the CAPTCHA is not placed on the site, take the example of "Inclusive planet" website. On 9/10/14, bhawani shankar verma <[email protected]> wrote:this can be done only at the data centre level where the cridentials aresaved in a server of data centre. an individual should keep the antivirus upto date and only should visit genuine website. there are number of valuesare to be matched before financial transaction. like card no, expiry date, cvv, date of birth, pin, 3d secure password, now what is the roll of captchatheir. my second question did not answer, was about incometax website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheik Mohammedali" <[email protected]>To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthedisabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemHere onething. if your personal/financial credentials are stolen, at least, an individual can never take access to these stuffs immediately.and they are stolen robotically and used on the merchant sites in the samemanner. O no no indeed, I did not suggest webvisum but I had put my views comparatively. there should be a mechanism which can do the job exclusively. as suggested by kartik, there should be some analytical questions to be answered. it is very unfortunate that nobody is taking part in this critical discussion. let us hear from other folks what do they have to say on this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <[email protected]>To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthedisabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemsuppose I entered all my details of credit card like card number, expirydate and 3d secure password, what this captcha will do their. I enter my pan number, date of birth, password correctly, what this captcha is doing their on the website incometaxindiaefiling.gov.inand many other websites. I am completely blind and i can't see the imageand my screen reader can not recognise it. what is the solution. please don't suggest webvisum. technically you may be right. but, practically Iam absolutely right. better is to go for easy solution not for intelligent solution. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheik Mohammedali" <[email protected]> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemHi Bhawani, if captcha is to be removed just forsake of accessibility,what is your selution for preventing spamming? Indeed I will standby you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <[email protected]> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemok then continue with this captcha. I will fight my battle alone tillmy winning. and my mission is to remove the captcha. -----Original Message----- From: Sheik Mohammedali Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 2:54 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemimpossible folks. mean removing captcha. mathamatical questions canbe very much answered by the bots. Same had been implemented on the inclusiveplanet where we did not have any captcha whether image or audio. butdue to spammers a kind of captcha was necessary there. then mathamatical captchahad been implemented but no use. bots are the computer programs whichcan perform these things automated. so calculation is not at all challenging. And Bhavani Shankar, how can be the webvisum hacking tool? they use the OCRfunctionality to resolve these captchas since there will be couple ofcharacters . and there had been another service which was human operative called solona. i'm not sure currently it is active or not. it was human operative 21 Hrs service in a day. -- Regards, Shek Mohammad ali, Cisco systems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jyotsna" <[email protected]> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemHi, I myself and hope entire VI community is ready to join this captcha removal mission as this is a big hurdle in independent use of webcontents for us. Even I don't feel comfortable in understanding audiocaptcha. Best alternative of captcha is mathematical questions. Its my humble request to some active member or NGO to take initiative to file petition in supreme court and entire community will definitely support him. Thanks, Jyotsna On 9/9/14, Pallavi Sj <[email protected]> wrote:As per my opinion, Bhavani is absolutely right. As a note to informhere, few of our access india friends are also trying to sort out this issue by reporting to the concerned department. However, if theproblem persists in a government, v can file a bug in the concerned department. But, there are many more privately held websites, thosecan't be even accessed at a very basic level without solving thecapcha. Moreover, few websites even don't allow such hacking add onslike webvisum... So, it is required for a complete change bysuggesting a better idea instead of capcha or to give the capcha in text along with the grey image or it should be made mandetory to add audio challenge for all the websites. Hope the other experts on thislist will come up with better idea than me. On 9/9/14, bhawani shankar verma <[email protected]> wrote:my concern is that we must file a petition in the supreme court toremove this captcha. as per the IT act, webvisum can be defined as a hacking tool. other than captcha, what is the purpose of webvisum?unfortunately nobody is joining this mission, we are just talking toeach other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jyotsna" <[email protected]> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Web visum problemHi, I have reported the issue to Web visum technical team yesterday butstill problem persists. Other web visum users can also write theirqueries on the link pasted below so that web visum team should resolvethe error on priority basis and continue their smooth services asearlier for the welfare of VI community. http://www.webvisum.com/en/main/contactus Thanks, Jyotsna On 9/8/14, Pallavi Sj <[email protected]> wrote:Moreover, for few websites, webvisum is not at all working thesedays, its giving wrong capcha as well... On 9/6/14, Rohiet A. Patil <[email protected]> wrote:I am also facing the same problem. Any thing rong with there server? -----Original Message----- From: Jyotsna Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 12:58 PM To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Web visum problem Hi all, Since last one week I am facing trouble in solving captcha through web visum. I noticed that daily after solving one captcha when I submit second ones it announces that please submit captcha after 30 seconds error:33. However I submitted the next captcha even after one hour as well as restart the system the same error message appears. Please confirm web visum users whether they are are also encountering thesame trouble in solving multiple captcha on the same day throughweb visum or this trouble is only with my system. Reply awaited. Thanks inadvance, Jyotsna. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe send a message to [email protected] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. 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