On 9/26/2017 9:48 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
Hi all,

at the last few IETF meetings we had plenty of presentations based on
new document submissions. Our security AD, Kathleen, raised concerns
that many of the presented documents had not seen prior mailing list
discussion.

Hence, the approach for the next IETF meeting will be different: only
documents discussed on the list will be placed on the agenda.

Um... what?    This begs the question of how much discussion qualifies....

I don't have a dog in the fight (currently), but this is pretty much the wrong way to handle this.   (And AFAICT is different than the norm for every other WG).

Instead 1) reserve time for things that are currently active WG items first, then 2) allow anyone with an idea to reserve time with some small preference given to ideas that have been introduced to the list whether they've been discussed or not.

WG F2F sessions have traditionally been where new ideas are introduced - and the reason is that getting high bandwidth feedback on an idea which may or may not be a good one tends to save painful interactions on the mailing list.  Those interactions include the dead silence ones where the author has no idea whether the silence means the idea is bad or just not applicable to the list readers problem set and the 100+ email chains where the author and the list try to figure out what each other means about each and every nuance of the draft.

Mike

ps - for next meeting, I assume you're talking meeting 101 not Singapore given that there is only about 6 weeks left until then?

Ciao
Hannes

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