I disagree with you, Panos.

The normative reference, include among other things, 
[I-D.ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra].

As you will see with my write-up there is a way to offer EST over CoAP support 
without creating any such dependency. This will allow for generic uses of EST 
over CoAP, very much in spirit of the original spec EST spec

Ciao
Hannes

From: Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) [mailto:pkamp...@cisco.com]
Sent: 13 November 2017 12:14
To: Hannes Tschofenig; ace@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Early warning: Rewrite of vanderstok-ace-coap-est

Hi Hannes,
I think the current draft offers that. The BRSKI EST APIs are not mandatory to 
implement by any means. The bindings of just the EST (RFC7030) APIs explained 
in the doc would suffice. If you are saying that the current doc is too 
complicated, may that is something that can be addressed. If you are saying 
that there need to be two docs, one for pure EST and one for the BRSKI EST 
messages, maybe it makes sense. The list can chime in on that.
Looking forward to your draft.
Panos


From: Ace [mailto:ace-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:55 PM
To: ace@ietf.org
Subject: [Ace] Early warning: Rewrite of vanderstok-ace-coap-est

Hi all,

I had provided comments on the EST over CoAP document in the past. 
Unfortunately, my recommendations have been ignored and instead the document 
went into the other direction getting more complex with every draft version.

I need something that just allows me to run EST over CoAP - nothing more. As a 
result, I don't want profiling, don't want normative dependency to the ANIMA 
work, and don't want any relationship to IEEE 802.15.4. EST over CoAP should be 
able to run in a variety of context and over a number of networks.

For this purpose I am planning to write a new draft during this week that 
covers only one thing, namely carrying EST over CoAP without any profiling and 
without any new functionality.
If someone is interested in collaborating with me please drop me a note.

Ciao
Hannes

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