Hi Daniel

The testing will be based on our own test clients and client software developed 
by our partners. If you know about any other clients supporting draft-07, 
please let me know.

We are currently working with a specification for the next phase including OOB 
and according to our current plan this will be completed in Q4 2017. We hope to 
begin the implementation in Q1 2018, but right now I am not able to say when 
this will be finished.

Regards
Mads

From: Daniel McCarney [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: torsdag 2. november 2017 15:02
To: Mads Egil Henriksveen <[email protected]>
Cc: IETF ACME <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Acme] Survey of draft-07 implementations

Hi Mads,

Happy to hear about another implementation! Thanks for replying.
We are also running a constrained pilot in our production environment 
(supporting CertBot) and this will be upgraded to the ACME draft-07 version 
shortly.

What is your plan for testing your draft-07 pilot? It sounds like you only 
target Certbot and there is no order based issuance support in Certbot 
presently (among other divergences with draft-07/08).
 However, we are considering to use the Out-of-Band Challenge type and possibly 
also External Account Binding in a next phase where the idea is to exploit how 
the ACME protocol may be used to support issuance and administration of other 
types of TLS certificates than DV.

Can you speak to when this phase may begin/end? I worry that it will be too 
late for any implementation experience to be able to influence the draft if 
this phase of your project won't be complete for some time.

- Daniel / cpu

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Mads Egil Henriksveen 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi

Buypass has implemented an ACME server based on ACME draft-07 which use order 
based issuance, this version is currently available in a test environment only. 
We are also running a constrained pilot in our production environment 
(supporting CertBot) and this will be upgraded to the ACME draft-07 version 
shortly.

We have included support for Pre-Authorization, but we are not using neither 
External Account Binding nor the Out-of-Band Challenge in our current version. 
However, we are considering to use the Out-of-Band Challenge type and possibly 
also External Account Binding in a next phase where the idea is to exploit how 
the ACME protocol may be used to support issuance and administration of other 
types of TLS certificates than DV.

Regards
Mads

From: Acme [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On 
Behalf Of Daniel McCarney
Sent: fredag 20. oktober 2017 22:36
To: IETF ACME <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [Acme] Survey of draft-07 implementations

Hi folks,

As the WG approaches last-call on ACME draft-07[0] I wanted to get a sense of 
which portions of the spec have been implemented and which haven't.

In particular I'd like to hear if anyone has implemented:
* External Account Binding (Section 7.3.5)
* Pre-Authorization for Order based issuance (Section 7.4.1)
* The Out-of-Band Challenge type (Section 8.6)

Let's Encrypt has made good progress on draft-07 server implementation but has 
no plans to implement the above three features. It would be nice to hear 
someone has running code for these protions of spec.

Ignoring the above three items Let's Encrypt has implemented the core portions 
of draft-07 in Pebble[1]. It's presently using the pro-active issuance method 
described in draft-07. It does not support key change or revocation but is 
ready to be used by clients. There is an integration test client[2] based on 
Certbot's ACME python module and ACME4j has an experimental branch[3] capable 
of issuing certificates from Pebble.

Let's Encrypt has also made significant progress implementing draft-07 in 
Boulder[4], the production Let's Encrypt CA software, but it is not yet ready 
for use by clients. This implementation does include key change and revocation 
but does **not** use pro-active issuance. I began a separate thread[5] for the 
order finalization approach that we have started to implement for Boulder. 
Pebble will be updated to use this issuance approach in place of pro-active 
issuance shortly.

Are there any other servers or clients out there that are speaking draft-07 
ACME and using order based issuance?

- Daniel / cpu

[0]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-acme-07
[1]: https://github.com/letsencrypt/pebble
[2]: 
https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder/blob/e2cc6fbe682dd5d49da32c2357838b0cc831f10f/test/chisel2.py
[3]: https://github.com/shred/acme4j/tree/draft
[4]: https://github.com/letsencrypt/boulder
[5]: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/acme/DIjJEB06J5cFyuOlGPVcY2I51vg

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