Hi Chris,

Oh right. This was the draft with the STIR tie-in. I think this proves the
point why people need to reply to the call-for-adoption thread, and not
rely on my memory. (remember also that I was only at half the last f2f due
to scheduling conflicts, so I don't think I was actually there for your
presentation). I see some discussion in the 123 minutes, but it's pretty
light on "consensus for adoption".
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-123-acme/

Ok. I am willing to extend the call for adoption period. Can you please
write up a description of the STIR tie-in, and post that to this thread?
Since you are requesting that this document be Standards Track (rather than
Informational), I will be most interested in people who are committed to
implement this draft and do inter-op testing.

On Fri, 26 Sept 2025 at 17:47, Chris Wendt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Just a reminder that I do recall at least a few folks that spoke up in the
> f2f meeting giving support that were visiting from the Stir WG that would
> be the primary audience and may not be on the ACME list. Would that count
> towards consensus, I would hope?
>
> -Chris
>
> On Sep 26, 2025, at 11:08 AM, Mike Ounsworth <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello ACME!
>
> The Call for Adoption
> for draft-wendt-acme-authority-token-jwtclaimcon closed on 2025-09-22.
> Despite MCR's positive review, one comment does not constitute working
> group consensus. I am going to leave this document in datatracker in the
> state Candidate For Adoption. I encourage the authors to present at the
> ACME session it IETF 124 with the goal of drumming up more interest in this
> draft, particularly from implementers.
>
> On Wed, 10 Sept 2025 at 16:14, Michael Richardson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I read acme-authority-token-jwtclaimcon-03.
>> I was led into reviewing RFC8225, and RFC8226.
>> The document seems well formed and very complete, and I think it could
>> rapidly go to WGLC.
>>
>> I found the explanation around token-authority in section 4 a bit hard to
>> understand.  I was in "smile and nod" mode.  I think those who know will
>> know, but reviewers might balk.  I'm rather unclear what the ACME client
>> will
>> do with this.   I thought I understood RFC9447 well enough already, but
>> clearly I don't.
>>
>> More consistent indenting of the JSON/JWT would be appreciated, such as
>> the
>> POST in section 4.
>>
>> I think that the "url" attribute in the Authorization object is the
>> identical
>> prV_B... as from RFC8555.  That's not wrong, it's just an example....,
>> but I
>> worry that someone will think they need to be the same, and I think that
>> in
>> real life they need to be different.  So make up a new random URL.
>>
>> I hadn't realized that these STIR PKIX certificates had JWT in an
>> extension!
>> Is this new?  Is this why this document exists?
>>
>> Is the account id mentioned in section 5.2 related to the ACME Account?
>> I think not.
>>
>> Should section 5.2 mention returning the response to the ACME server at
>> the
>> challenge URL?
>>
>> }5.5.  ACME Challenges requiring multiple Authority Tokens
>> }
>> }   The ACME new-order request may include multiple identifiers, each of
>> }   which is authorized separately.  With the introduction of this
>> }   specification, for STIR certificates [RFC8226] two identifier types
>> }   are authorized using Authority Tokens:
>>
>> I read the document to understand how this document was
>> dealing/documenting
>> multiple identities, as ACME-RATS needs/wants to do the same.
>>
>> Please include the DER for the examples in section 5.5.1.1 and 5.5.1.2.
>>              UTF8String '"nam": "James Bond"'
>>
>> The use of ' and " quotes here was confusing to me at first scan.
>> I think that inner parts are actually JSON?
>>
>> Section 5.5.2 has "sti-ca.com" rathere than example.com.
>>
>> Who will be implementing this?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <[email protected]>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting
>> )
>>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
>>
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