Dear Giulio, I have no objections to BSD-3, and agree with Tiago's considerations about the reasons for BSD-3 being preferred (in this case) over BSD-2. I also agree that it is better to use widespread licenses.
So, I think we are all in agreement. Thank you for sending us Ingo's email off-list in which he agrees to a change of license. I agree with Tiago that it would be good to send Ingo an email asking if he would agree with BSD-3, and for the reasons that we have come up with: a) It provides no warranty. b) It is a wide-spread, well-understood license. c) It is a very liberal license. d) It allows University researchers in some parts of the world to more easily contribute, given the presence of the endorsement clause. This is important for something like ACOPOST. Best, Ulrik On 6/30/13 5:40 PM, Giulio Paci wrote: > BSD-3 for me is ok. > I tend to prefer wide-spread licenses rather than custom ones, as it simplify > the life for users and maintainers. > > I think that when we will agree for a new license we can ask Ingo if he can > comment on it. > > Bests, > Giulio. > > Il 30/06/2013 16:37, Tiago Tresoldi ha scritto: >> Hello everyone, >> >> between Expat and BSD-2, which I consider equivalent, I would choose >> Expat for being even simpler and more traditional. >> >> However, even though I have no issues or preferences regarding the >> third clause of BSD-3, and even though I doubt it would ever apply to >> an eventual commercial derivative of Acopost, I understand that some >> future contributors might prefer the endorsing restrictions. In >> particular, someone working in a research program might be legally >> restricted from contributing with an Expat/BSD-2 license (it would be >> the case for some universities here in Brazil). >> >> My vote is thus for the BSD-3 (aka Modified BSD License). If you >> prefer an MTI-style license, I would go for one such as the ncurses >> license, which makes the Expat license equivalent to BSD-3. >> >> BTW, Giulio, when we decide it would be good to have a copy of a >> message from Ingo stating that he agrees with the new terms. >> >> Bests, >> >> Tiago >> >> 2013/6/29 Giulio Paci <giuliop...@gmail.com>: >>> Hi to all, >>> today I got a reply from Ingo Schröder stating that he is ok with >>> us changing the >>> license of acopost, as long as he does not have to take any kind of >>> warranty. >>> >>> So I think it is possible to discuss the license now. :-) My preference >>> here goes to Expat, BSD-3 or BSD-2. >>> Is it ok with you to use one of these license for future releases? >>> >>> Bests, >>> Giulio. >>> >>> Il 31/05/2013 14:53, Ulrik Sandborg-Petersen ha scritto: >>>> Hello to you both, >>>> >>>> I agree with Tiago on both points: >>>> >>>> a) I would be open to discussing a license change, but >>>> >>>> b) I believe our hands are tied unless we can contact the original >>>> authors and get permission for the license change. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Ulrik >>>> >>>> On 05/31/2013 02:32 PM, Tiago Tresoldi wrote: >>>>> Hi Giulio, >>>>> >>>>> I still like the GPL, but would not mind discussing a new license. You >>>>> make a good point, especially if we consider that people want acopost >>>>> because it is pure C and free of dependencies. >>>>> >>>>> However, I am afraid our hands are tied: as expected from an academic >>>>> research project released to the public in 2000/2001, Ingo clearly >>>>> licensed his source under GPL2 (and some parts of it, like primes.c, >>>>> seem to be taken from other projects and thus might have additional >>>>> authors) and there is no arguing that acopost is still, essentially, >>>>> his code. I suppose that the only thing that could be done, legally, >>>>> would be to agree moving to GPL3, which I would probably support but >>>>> does not solve your problem (in a way, it makes it worse). >>>>> >>>>> The other option would of course be to contact Ingo, but as I told >>>>> Ulrik it seems impossible. I tried everything I could to contact him, >>>>> I then tried his collegues from University of Hamburg and Kilian Foth, >>>>> while very helpful and excited that people were still interested in >>>>> acopost, replied me this: >>>>> >>>>>> As you will have suspected, the original inventors have moved on - far >>>>>> on (Ingo Schröder now has a different career and a family and a house to >>>>>> deal with), and I wouldn't know how to contact either of them anymore. >>>>> Besides that, the fact that Ingo Schröder is not an uncommon name in >>>>> Germany does not make it easier... >>>>> >>>>> Bests, >>>>> >>>>> Tiago >>>>> >>>>> 2013/5/31 Giulio Paci <giuliop...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> Hi to all, >>>>>> I would like to know your opinion about the acopost license >>>>>> and if it would be possible to change its license to a more liberal one >>>>>> (e.g., the Expat or the BSD-3 licences). >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not know your opinion about software licenses and mine is still >>>>>> evolving, however I reached a point where I mostly dislike GPL. >>>>>> I like its spirit and its goals, but as a developer I am much more >>>>>> interested in having the code available for any purpose, including >>>>>> mixing it with closed source software. >>>>>> For this reason I used to like LGPL much more than GPL. However it is >>>>>> usually very difficult to respect LGPL terms, especially with big >>>>>> projects, if you are using any >>>>>> closed source module. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is your opinion about it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bests, >>>>>> Giulio. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite >>>>>> It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production >>>>>> Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. >>>>>> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> acopost-devel mailing list >>>>>> acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite >>>>> It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production >>>>> Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. >>>>> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> acopost-devel mailing list >>>>> acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite >>>> It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production >>>> Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead. >>>> Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_ap2 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> acopost-devel mailing list >>>> acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >>> >>> Build for Windows Store. >>> >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> acopost-devel mailing list >>> acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >> >> Build for Windows Store. >> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> acopost-devel mailing list >> acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > acopost-devel mailing list > acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev _______________________________________________ acopost-devel mailing list acopost-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acopost-devel
