Peter, I haven't done any upgrades yet either, but I have read every message on this forum, and engaged in quite a few private discussions. And that's the reason I haven't done any upgrades yet. I don't have to put my hand in the fire if everyone who has tried it is saying that the fire is hot.
Go back and read the traffic on this list. My take is that the only ones who have gone live with their v11 apps and not suffered major pain are those who started over from scratch, like Bill, my old friend from Guam days. Only one developer with a converted app responded positively to the appeal for real-world v11 experiences, and he qualified his response by saying that his Foundation app, on the other hand, is giving him major headaches. What would I like 4D to have done differently? GRADUALLY introduced all those new features, over a 3-5 year period. Spend more time and resources on compatibility issues, recognizing that customers don't have unlimited time and money to flush out bugs and strange behaviors. Don't change the way things work for everyone, to fix a problem that may have been experienced by a very few. The reason I am speaking out is because no one else is. Everyone who is trying to use v11 is so focused on putting out individual fires, that they don't see that the entire forest is smoldering. Back in the "old days," there were many developers who would publicly hold 4D Inc. Accountable, but apparently those days are long gone. It's a shame, though, because 4D as a product benefitted from those lively discussions. Changes were made because of public complaints, and we all benefitted. When I was in management at ACI US (now 4D Inc), we always knew that some customers were going to "hold our feet to the fire" when we made bad decisions or put out buggy versions. Now, evertone seems afraid to say publicy what some are saying to me privately: "this upgrade has been a disaster." If no one tells 4D that something is wrong, thsy are justified in thinking that everything is OK. So if things are not OK, it is our DUTY and our OBLIGATION to tell them - publicly and privately. And that's MY $0.02. Walt Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Peter Jakobsson <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:21:14 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] VISTA and v11: A CAUTIONARY TALE On 19 Feb 2009, at 02:00, Walt Nelson wrote: > virtually every major program > running in 4D will break when it is upgraded to v11 Hi Walt From what I've seen of v11 so far, it looks like less pain to upgrade than, say, the move from 6.7 to 2003/4 since those had a brand new OS to support if you were using Mac. Once the dust settles on v11 I'm firmly expecting to have a reasonably smooth upgrade for my 90-workstation 24/7 mission critical network apart from having to re-code a few sub-files which have been in there since the dawn of man. Also, Active4D of course. [Will let you know if things don't go according to expectations -:) ] Just wondering what in particular you would have had 4D do differently ? They are usually pretty good at preserving behavior via the compatibility checkbox approach. They had to support unicode to not go out of business. Same for SQL and X-LIFF. The native DB language (and behavior) is preserved. Legacy support for Ascii and resources is preserved. Feel free to consider my comments naive as I haven't embarked on a single upgrade yet, so your the one with the experience on that front and I'll gladly take any advice going. As for Active 4D, I've so far been provided with a great product for not much money by a 1-man operation so I don't feel in a position to make any demands there. I've told my customer Mar-Dec 2010 for Active 4D v11 and I'm amazed at the progress Aparajita has already made according to his last report considering he was looking for work just a few weeks ago. Think we'll just sit it out with 2004 for now and see how things go. Regards Peter _______________________________________________ Active4D-dev mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.aparajitaworld.com/mailman/listinfo/active4d-dev Archives: http://mailman.aparajitaworld.com/archive/active4d-dev/ _______________________________________________ Active4D-dev mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.aparajitaworld.com/mailman/listinfo/active4d-dev Archives: http://mailman.aparajitaworld.com/archive/active4d-dev/
