I meant only to use the old NTK shell code. Nothing else would have to change. If your problems persist and I can’t find the solution, I’ll do it for free.
All the best, - Aparajita > On Apr 25, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Perkins, Bradley D <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not really. I'd have to: > (a) Go back to the old server machine and 4D v14 > (b) Work with institutional IT to get it back on the network (Hostmaster > updates, Switch programming). They tightly control all public facing IP > addresses. > (c) Identify all changed data since we went live and export/import it back > into the v14 Database. > As noted that ran fine. > > I never considered running v14 on the Sierra machines. I was told by 4D it > wouldn't be stable. > > If you mean staying with v15.4 and putting in the old shell code and going > back to older NTK and Active4D versions, we could try that, but I have > other other project commitments that I must focus on for the next few > weeks and can't work on that now. We're just going to have to monitor our > systems and live with the problems if they persist. > > One idea I did have was to compile the NTK demo database under v15.4 > running same NTK and A4D versions and place that on our development > system, reasonably exercise it with AB, and see if the Active4D/NTK server > becomes unresponsive. > > Also, I checked and we are still using the old network layer. > > > Thanks, > > -- Brad > > On 4/25/17, 7:30 AM, "Active4D-dev on behalf of Aparajita Fishman" > <[email protected] on behalf of > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Brad, >> >> Is it possible to roll back to the old NTK server code? I'd like to know >> if that solves the problem. >> >> All the best, >> >> - Aparajita >> >>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Perkins, Bradley D <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> We went from v14 to v15. We're also still running 32-bit server. I'm not >>> positive but I thought the new network layer was only available in >>> 64-bit. >>> I will definitely check though. Thanks! >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> On 4/24/17, 2:31 PM, "Active4D-dev on behalf of Bellos, John" >>> <[email protected] on behalf of >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I forget what version of 4D you said you came from, but if it was v13 >>>> or >>>> lower, try your setup with the new network layer OFF in 4D server. >>>> We've >>>> definitely seen some stability issues with the new network layer ON, >>>> using v15.4. >>>> >>>> Note that if you're using Mac 64-Bit, the new network layer is forced >>>> on >>>> and you can't turn it off. But on Windows 64 bit server, you can turn >>>> this setting off. >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Active4D-dev [[email protected]] on behalf >>>> of >>>> Aparajita Fishman [[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 4:29 PM >>>> To: Active4D Developer Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: [Active4d-dev] Active4D Slowdown then Stall (weird >>>> A4D_HTTPD_RequestHandler_* behavior) >>>> >>>> It’s entirely possible there is some flaw in the new server code. The >>>> main change I made to A4D_HTTPD_RequestHandler was the correct handling >>>> of keep-alive connections. If you find out any more details, please >>>> post >>>> them here. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> - Aparajita >>>> >>>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Perkins, Bradley D <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Peter and Aparajita, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you both for your responses. I have been testing our development >>>>> system with a higher MaxThreads this morning. I haven't been able to >>>>> exhaust all of the threads. I was able to crash 4D through. I'll send >>>>> Aparajita the crash log. >>>>> >>>>> Peter, your observations are very similar to what we've seen. Under >>>>> v14 >>>>> -- >>>>> and even with the broken keep alive feature -- we could run for a long >>>>> time with no problems. Reboots were usually because I had to reboot >>>>> the >>>>> Windows server to install MS Security Patches. >>>>> >>>>> Our production system sees a fairly light load and would normally >>>>> never >>>>> see the loads that I'm placing on it with ApacheBench unless IT is >>>>> running >>>>> a cyber scan. I'm letting it run as is with the earlier configuration >>>>> to >>>>> see if the problem is because we've exhausted the thread pool. We >>>>> haven't >>>>> allocated an additional thread since I restarted on Saturday. Our >>>>> ThreadStack size was already set to 256 (docs show 128 as default). >>>>> As Peter notes, It could be that the problem lies elsewhere such as in >>>>> in >>>>> 4D itself. >>>>> >>>>> We upgraded hardware, OS, 4D, NTK, and Active4D. That is a lot of >>>>> change. >>>>> >>>>> -- Brad >>>>> >>>>> On 4/24/17, 9:09 AM, "Active4D-dev on behalf of Aparajita Fishman" >>>>> <[email protected] on behalf of >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Increase MaxThreads in the A4D_NTKConfig list. I am increasing this >>>>>> to >>>>>> 100 by default in the next release, and I am also adding code to >>>>>> reclaim >>>>>> unused threads after a configurable delay. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> >>>>>> - Aparajita >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 4:51 AM, Peter Gutbrod <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Brad, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see something similar since I've upgraded 4D-Server to V16 and >>>>>>> NTK/A4D >>>>>>> to the newest version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before the server could run für month without any issue. After the >>>>>>> upgrade the server slows down within 1-2 days up the point, where >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> request can take 10 seconds or even more. According to the 4D admin >>>>>>> panel there are cpu or network intensive tasks running. Server is >>>>>>> almost >>>>>>> idle, tons af free memory for 4D. Nothing suspicious in Windows >>>>>>> performance monitor. Rebooting 4D and the slow-down is gone - for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> next couple of hours, then it slowly reappears. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I realized the slowdown in a JSON API. First I thought it is >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> within my A4D code, so I've calculated the time my A4D code needs to >>>>>>> run. But I found the slowdown happens while receiving the request. >>>>>>> Once >>>>>>> A4D starts executing the code, everything runs fast, including >>>>>>> sending >>>>>>> the response. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've asked Rob from the pluggers, whether he had heard about >>>>>>> slowdows >>>>>>> with the new version of NTK but he wasn't aware of any problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a period, where I wasn't able to restart 4D server periodically, >>>>>>> slowdown got so extreme, that 4D clients were unable to login due to >>>>>>> timeouts. In that state the only way to restart the 4D server was >>>>>>> with a >>>>>>> force quit. That convinced me, that the culprit is within 4D V16 and >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> NTK or A4D and I should wait for 4D 16.1 and until then restart 4D >>>>>>> Server periodically. 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