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Diane,
 
Solid backups are the only way to recover from a switch to Native mode, regardless of E2K or Win2k.  Make sure that you have them for the period right before.  Authoritative restoration of system state data is the only known way.
 
I hope that the validation of your migration plan is of some value as well.
 

Rick Kingslan - Microsoft Certified Trainer
  MCSE+I on Windows NT 4.0
  MCSE on Windows 2000
  MVP [Windows NT/2000 Server]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic."
  ---  Arthur C. Clarke

 

 -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ayers, Diane
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:04 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

Rick:
 
Thanks for the info.  I'm very clear on the concepts of Mixed vs. native as far as AD and Exchange.  No confusion at all on those points and is the core of our migration strategy.  I was getting nervous about the cut over to native mode and some feedback gave me some thoughts as if we should tweak our migration plan.  I'm not changing anything at this point.
 
Still no input on possible rollbacks from the cut over to native mode though...   :-(
 
Diane  
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

Diane,
 
I've been watching this thread with some interest.  :-)
 
Be sure that you're current direction, for all intents, should be successful.  There is such a thing as Native and Mixed-Mode when dealing with Exchange as well - but this has to do with Native and Mixed-mode for the Exchange Organization.  Do _NOT_ get the Win2k Native - Mixed-mode thing confused with the Exchange 2k Native - Mixed-mode.  They are not the same.
 
Synopsis:
 
Windows 2000 Native vs. Mixed
In Native mode:
1.  No LMRepl communication with downlevel BDCs.
2.  Universal groups are available, group nesting (i.e. Global groups into global groups, etc) is available
3.  Members servers and workstations continue to work as they did before.
 
In Exchange, the distinction between Native and Mixed is present because Xech 5.5 does not have the ability to separate routing groups and administrative groups.  So, while in mixed mode an Exch 5.5 site functions as both.  Because E2K does not have this limit, and to get the full flexibility out of the model, Native mode is used once there are no Exch 5.5 servers and full routing and administrative groups can be leveraged.
 
Exchange 2000 Native vs. Mixed
In Native Mode:
1.  No Exchange 5.x servers can be supported.  It's a E2K exclusive club.
 
Hope this helps clear up your confusion.  Your migration plan (with the level of detail presented) looks fine.
 
Good luck!

Rick Kingslan - Microsoft Certified Trainer
  MCSE+I on Windows NT 4.0
  MCSE on Windows 2000
  MVP [Windows NT/2000 Server]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic."
  ---  Arthur C. Clarke

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ayers, Diane
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:03 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

I know this isn't the exchange list but you got me going.   The comment "5.5 has to have a mixed somewhere in the forest" has me concerned.  Here's the scenario in a nut shell..
 
Single master NT 4.0 domain model.   Multiple resource domains @ 4.0 with a single account domain.  The upgrade path so far was bring up an empty forest root (non routable). This is running in native mode.  We then began the upgrade of our accounts domain.  It's currently running in Mixed mode.  Plan is convert the domain to native once we complete the DC replacements.  After going native, we'll begin our migration of the resources in the resource domains to AD.  At the same time we will begin the rollout of exchange 2K and migrate Ex5.5 resources to E2K.  Exchange will run in mixed mode until the migration is complete then exchange will be converted to native mode.  Once the resources in the resource domains are migrated, the resource domains will be retired.
 
Your comment makes me concerned since we will have no "mixed mode Win2K domains" they will be all native.  We'll still have down level NT 4.0 domains with NTLM trusts but no Win2K mixed mode domains.
 
Our Migration strategy was given a thumbs up by a "well known" consulting organization hence my confusion...
 
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:26 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

ok, I have totally screwed this one up...
 
Yes. E2K has to be in Native, 5.5 has to have a mixed somewhere in the forest..
 
Ours is still root mixed, all others native.. lol
 
At least I got that part right.. That'll teach me to drink Corona and dispense advise....
 
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:13 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

I'm assuming he means "one domain in native mode for E2K".  Our situation is that the root is native (empty root) and the production domain is in mixed mode.  Based on the docs I read, the domain that e2K is to be installed into must be in native mode.
 
If we don't have to be in native mode in our production domain, that's going to save a heela lot of work
 
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

Do you mean - Only ONE domain needs to be in mixed mode for E5.5?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang

FYI,

Only ONE domain needs to be in mixed mode for E2K. We have our root in
mixed all child (production) domains in native..



-----Original Message-----
From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Rollback from the big bang


All:

We are in the midst of our AD deployment and are looking toward the day
we switch from mixed mode to native mode.  We need to do this to move
forward with our Exchange 2K rollout.  We're a single forest with an
empty forest root and a main domain for all of our other resources.

Being an enterprise we have a lot of "unknown applications" out there
that we no way of testing against native mode let alone tracking down.
We have the "big ones" but the rest....  Anyway, I know the say the
switch from mixed to native is a one way track.  Baring that I was
thinking about some sort of CYA in case things go south in a real bad
way.

Does anyone have a creative method for rolling back from the switch to
native mode.  I was thinking along the lines of doing a restore of a
pre-native directory backup or ??  I know we could probably bring one of
our NT 4.0 BDCs back online, promote and rebuild the domain but that
would entail redoing all of the Win2K DCs.

All MS docs say no way.

Ideas or am I wasting thought cycles?

Diane
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