Given that the patches that stopped the flaws code red relied on were
about a year old when code red was released, its quite possible that
even a vaguely competent admin wouldn't see it on their servers.

Robert Moir MSMVP
IT Systems Engineer
Luton Sixth Form College
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Granatella Adam J [mailto:Adam.Granatella@;Sentry.com] 
> Sent: 15 November 2002 13:30
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and Network Core Services & Anti-Virus
> 
> 
> Two words:  Code Red.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and Network Core Services & Anti-Virus
> 
> 
> Every virus attack I've seen enters at the client machine 
> level - regardless of how it enters the network, it infects a 
> client machine. Its rare to have every client machine 100% up 
> to date on AV signatures, etc, and because of that, they're 
> always going to be the entry point.
> 
> With that in mind, you need to take steps to protect every 
> server, regardless of function. To do otherwise is, in this 
> day and age, irresponsible.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis Aguilera [mailto:laguilera@;basesix.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and Network Core Services & Anti-Virus
> > 
> > 
> > The important thing is to keep in mind were your vulnerabilities to 
> > viruses lie.
> >  
> > Most viruses, IME, come through either documents and/or emails. So 
> > setting up a good system that protects your file servers and email 
> > servers from malicious code will go a long way in protecting your 
> > network. You also want to think of implementing a system 
> that protects 
> > the end users, particularly something featuring the 
> "pushing" of virus
> > definitions from a central location (that an admin manages) 
> > rather than leave the onus of updating the virus defs to end users.
> >  
> > Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've yet to see a 
> virus that 
> > directly targets AD, DHCP, DNS or other DNS servers. Does 
> any know of 
> > any?
> >  
> > Luis Aguilera
> > IT Manager
> > BaseSix 
> > 
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Tim HInes [mailto:nupe009@;carolina.rr.com]
> >     Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:26 PM
> >     To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >     Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] AD and Network Core Services & 
> Anti-Virus
> >     
> >     
> >     Although antivirus programs can cause problems I would 
> advise that 
> > you run it on your servers.  The disasters that a virus can cause 
> > outweigh the problems that a virus scanner may cause.  It 
> may save you 
> > from having to rebuild your boxes.
> >      
> >      
> >     Tim Hines, MCSA, MCSE (2000 & NT4)
> >     MVP - Active Directory
> >      
> >      
> >      
> >      
> > 
> >             ----- Original Message ----- 
> >             From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT)
> > <mailto:myrickt@;mail.nih.gov>  
> >             To:
> > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
> >             Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:53 PM
> >             Subject: [ActiveDir] AD and Network Core 
> > Services & Anti-Virus
> > 
> > 
> >             I have a quick question, Our operating
> > procedures for Core Network Service (AD DCs, WINS, DDNS, CA,
> > Exchange (Antigen), DHCP) servers has been not to run with 
> > Anti-Virus protection on them. We feel that the potential for 
> > scanner code to conflict with the network service is higher 
> > if we do, and since we don't execute man applications from 
> > the server unless they are scanned we don't feel we are at 
> much risk. 
> > 
> >             What I would like to know is, what does
> > everyone on this list feel an is a good strategy when it
> > comes to these types of services and anti-virus product? 
> > 
> >             Thanks in Advance, 
> >             Todd
> > 
> > 
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