Guido, thanks for the post reply.

i have subsequently read that default ACL's do not let even Admins delete
the GPO so hopefully only the link should need to be restored.

i agree totally with the view that the removal of the default domain policy
can only have a negative impact, but should not affect the trust going the
"other way" as surely the account settings / policies that it defines would
affect the accounts in the w2k define.

and as such affect the "NT4 trusts W2K" trust and not as i am experiencing.

or are there sublte differences in the establishment of a trust between a
w2k / nt4 domain - i assume wherever we read PDC in the context of a NT4-NT4
trust the focus is on the host holding the PDC emulator role ??

GT

----- Original Message -----
From: "GRILLENMEIER,GUIDO (HP-Germany,ex1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] windows 2000 / NT4 trust


> yes, removal of the "Default Domain policy" GPO from the w2k domain sounds
> like it's related to your issue - this is definitely a bad idea.  Various
> permissions and user-rights are set here, which define who can do what on
> the domain-level. Although I believe the Default Domain Controller policy
> contains even more settings explicit to trust creation etc, you should
> definitely re-add the Default Domain Policy as well.
>
> With Windows Server 2003, you can use dcgpofix.exe to restore a Default
GPO
> to it's initial state - I'm not sure how you'd do it in 2000, except by
> creating a new domain and using the export/import feature from GPMC.
>
> /Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2003 14:35
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> please can anyone pass on the in's and out's of diagnosing failure of
trust
> relationship establishment.
>
> the trust that is required is two-way between an NT4 domain (source in the
> context of migration) and a W2k domain (target)
>
> i am able to establish easily enough the trust;
>
> NT4 trusts W2K
>
> however for love nor money am i able to establish the other way round;
>
> w2k trusts NT4
>
> get whole loads of access denied messages ...
>
> thought for a moment it might have something to do with the presence of
the
> security principal in the NT4 domain which is required for migration;
>
> NT4$$$
>
> as the accounts used for trusts are the domain name with $ appended - red
> herring me thinks ??
>
> but then as i read it in the context of the failed trust the interdomain
> trust account used would be W2K$ defined in the NT4 domain ????
>
> the other issue that looked a bit hookie was the removal of the "Default
> Doman policy" GPO from the w2k domain - not me gov !!
>
> perhaps there are values in there that are relevant to the trust failure -
>
> notwithstanding it would be ideal to understand the full troubleshoot of a
> failed trust
>
> have been using "nltest" but all we get returned is a generic "access
> denied" error;
>
> event logs give us the following;
>
> 5721 - session setup to DC for NT4domain failed because DC does not have
> account for w2k dcname
>
> 8B-01-00-C0
>
> 3210 - failed to authenticate with nt4 dcname;
> 22 00 00 C0
>
> apologies for the essay but have attempted to include all relevant
> information
>
> GT
>
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