RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] Installing Windows 2003 servers to Windows 2000 Domain

[Rick Kingslan]

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I've got about 5 more to go (including the Appendix) but I just got Chp 14 today - and it's right in my Wheelhouse.  Sec and Auth - so I've got to spend a bit of extra time there and add some value....  Got a bit sidetracked by an MS Security Guide.... I'll have to tell you the whole story on this one sometime.  I may not be doing review work on MS documents any tme soon.  Waste of 5 days for nothing at all.  I'm sure that the paper will be fine, but quite a bit of a disappointment for the work that I put into it.   E2K....goodness, here we go again.  Now I'm intrigued..... "the dirty secret about msExchSecurityDescriptor".  What did you learn that caused this kind of turmoil in Blue Oval-ville?  I do like the inefficient query logging thing.  I'm looking for a reason to piss off my Exchange admins - I just have to wait for it to happen.  I now have the punishment.....  >:->   Oh, how I wish Laura - and all of her vicious 'don't like it my way?  Tough - eat $%)@!' would hang around here now and again.  Yeah, she'd spice things up!  Hehe.....  Finally met her face to face in San Francisco at the Launch.  She's more fun in person!   Thomas I haven't seen here.  Dean, for a while, but he's doing the whole "Teach PSS Windows 2K3", and is constantly on the road.  Abell I can't get involved in anything.  He's quite the character, and very set in his ways,  Ace, sadly - no.  Jimmy shows up when he's not busy.  He's doing much the same as Dean, but in the EU.   -rtk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well that sucks about Gil, I'll have to see if I can start some down and dirty threads to pull him out of the corner.   I owe Richard a note, don't let him know I am here... shhhh...  <peers about>   I read like 6 last night, 2 more tonight and my part will be done and Robbie should be cool. Now I get to focus full time on trying to dress that E2K pig up and making it dance and pretend to be a scaleable properly manageable mail system. I just learned the dirty secret about msExchSecurityDescriptor this afternoon and stomped out of the lab in disgust, not even sure why they used the attribute at all. Either do it in the store or do it in the directory, one or the other, JUMP! Reminds me of the parable of the grape who couldn't figure out which side of the road was better and squish. Because of that and I think for fun and to egg on the Premier guys this week I am going to turn on inefficient query logging on the Exchange lab DC's to see how funny it is. ;oP   We have indexed objectclass now so that should help it out quite a bit. Definitely helped out with some of the other poorly written apps running around that were experiencing time outs. We were told we could probably expect a 25-30%+ DIT size growth doing that, it was a tiny growth, indexed a whole bunch of other attributes as well and our GC DIT only grew by like 100-150MB which is a drop in the bucket to the 6GB GC DIT.   Ah, I need to get back into Word. Though before I go does Laura hang out here as well? How about Dean/Roger/Ace/Jimmy/Thomas and the rest of the troublemakers?     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] Installing Windows 2003 servers to Windows 2000 Domain Sadly, Gil has not been spending as much time here as he has in the past.  Not sure why.  He does post now and then - especially when the replication or lower level programming talk gets deep.   Robbie Allen and Richard Puckett have been fairly visible - Richard, I can't say why he hasn't been here.  Robbie, though - I can speak for.  I KNOW what he's doing....  :-)  He'll be free(er) shortly......   -rtk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It will definitely be fun. I personally am waiting for a Gil Kirkpatrick siting, I hear he wanders these halls....  ADFIND (and every other LDAP joeware tool)  wouldn't exist except for Gil and his book and that would be a sad thing for me because I love those tools.       joe   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] Installing Windows 2003 servers to Windows 2000 Domain Yeah!  LOL!  That's waaaaaay too good.   Glad you could make it.  You will certainly be a worthy addition to the characters that wander in here.....   -rtk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everyone kept saying, join activedir join activedir, so I stumbled in fashionably late and three sheets to the wind... The only way to make an entrance. ;o)    So where were we, I believe we were discussing slapping MIT Kerberos and OpenLDAP on a Linux box and calling it OverActive Directory?     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installing Windows 2003 servers to Windows 2000 Domain Mr. Richards.....  welcome to the party.  ;-)   Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT Microsoft MVP - Active Directory Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with Rick completely. I work for a very large organization and policy is policy. Not only will we not let you put them into our Active Directory, I have a script that will find them and throw the machine objects into an Enterprise Admin Access only OU and disable and smack the ACL of the offending object if you someone sneak one in. So not only do they not get to use the server anymore, they can't even use that server name again. We catch more than a couple of occurrances of this and we take away their ability to add anything and let their managers know that we did it and why.   While I understand why people want to put them in (I in fact want to as well), we want a centralized controlled IT structure and the best way to maintain or reduce costs is to have a handle on what is in production. We do not have an official company load for W2K3 yet with all of the certified drivers and antivirus software so we don't want anyone deploying anything on it because anything they deploy we know will have to be revisited and is a possible breeding ground of viri, worm's, and support issues with no escalation paths.   Tough love I guess.     joe     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Installing Windows 2003 servers to Windows 2000 Domain Justifying it technically is going to be a problem, as there are no real 'downfalls'.   However - if they don't want them - stick to your guns.  Policy says NO.  If there are any questions, refer to latter statement. Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT Microsoft MVP - Active Directory Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pennell, Ronald B. Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone come across any problems with installing the new windows 2003 servers to the Windows 2000 site. Running W2K with SP3 and Exchange 2000 all in native modes.  Our company is having a storm of interns coming in and wanting to run projects on a W2k3 server.    Other than it is against company policy not to allow users to install servers, or even there own systems.   Management is trying to come up with some negatives to this, other than just saying it is against company policy.   Ron Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]