True enough, Roger. I won't in any way disagree that this was the case. But, there have been some changes - rhetoric or not, I can't say. But, we were told in what is now a public transcript that the future database technology that would be first introduced in Yukon would be pervasive throughout the server line, and most prevalent in the AD database and the Exchange stores.
Granted - I know the issues with database technology and the limitations. Hence, one of the reasons that I am so interested to see the 'preview' release of the Longhorn code as the WinFS should be a telling factor as to how far they really do have to go. Now, are there going to be derivations (hence structured, unstructured)? I suspect yes. Clearly, the EDB that is used for NTDS is similar but not the same as that used for Exchange. And, do I think that exposing an interface such as what you describe for doing the work that we do would be unwelcome? In fact, I think that it would have over-whelming acceptance from the Professional maintainers such as ourselves - as long as there was the 'dumbified' interface for everyone else and for the one-off chores. To say the least (as if it's not always....) the next few years are going to be very interesting as these products develop. Rick Kingslan MCSE, MCSA, MCT Microsoft MVP - Active Directory Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:34 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Add junior admin to Local workstations admin grou p The actual prognostication I heard at a Windows NT5 preview (pick your date based on *that* statement) was that we'd have two data stores - one for structured (i.e. SQL) data and the other for unstructured (i.e. email, files, etc) data. So, the idea was that NTFS (version ??) would handle email storage. Think of what's out there with RIS today for SIS in a file tree - but on a full filesystem scale. There's a performance penalty, quite significantly so, for variable length fields, in databases. At some point, the system bus speeds will stop being the bottlenecks, and they'll have to consider issues like in building data stores. The published information has led me to believe that its more a data storage strategy rather than a product. I also think that there's a difference between the front end and back end technologies, and significant benefits to be had from building a unified front end to distict back ends. I mean, can you imagine build your own folders?? select mailfrom, subject, date, size from email_messages where mailfrom = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Or would that be: delete from email_messages where mailfrom = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"... -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Add junior admin to Local workstations admin > grou p > > > Well, let's be a bit cautious on that statement. What I understand to > be the case is that: (and this is widely publicized - I was put under > severe NDA - then Bill Gates talked about it 1 day after I was > threatened within an inch of my life.....) > > Microsoft has this new, cool DB technology that is being used in: > > * Yukon - the next version of SQL Server > * Longhorn Client for the file system (WinFS) > * Future server versions for AD database (Longhorn server, Blackcombe > - you figure it out) > * Future versions of Exchange for store database > * etc, etc, etc. > > Now, one might this that this is all really suprising and a sweeping > change. > And, by some rights, it is. But, if you take a look at the store and > AD > (ntds) database today - they're very much the same; and strikingly > similar to SQL 2000. > > The big change is really the file system. > > So, to say that Exchange is going to be based on SQL, yeah, that's > pretty much true. But, then, so will AD, and WinFS - but SQL will be > based on a base technology that is shared amongst the entire server > family. > > I haven't had the DBAs over lately trying to convince upper management > that they own Exchange or AD - and that's not likely to happen in the > next iteration, either. Do I think that you need to get to know Yukon > (which will likely be the first PUBLICLLY available (not beta, not > preview) code of > the next gen database, ummmmm. Yeah. That might be a really good > idea. > > Rick Kingslan MCSE, MCSA, MCT > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory > Associate Expert > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costanzo, Ray > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Add junior admin to Local workstations admin > grou p > > Let's not forget about SQL Server here, which will replace Exchange. > > Ray at work > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Scary part is that Exchange is still one of the best products > Microsoft's ever put out. Just takes someone who really understands it > to run it.. > > > ************************************************************** > ************** > ****************************** > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for > the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. > Distribution, publication, or retransmission of this message is > strictly prohibited. This message may be a bank to client > communication and as such is priviliged and confidential. > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an > agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that > any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is > strictly prohibited. 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