I was Hunter in a past life or was it yesterday... :)

Jason - to your specific question about an online review, I can't find one
on the net either. I asked our security guy about this and where he found
out about Espion.  He told me that he  originally found a review on MSN and
other "security sites" that led him to the company, however, that review has
been lost to the gods of the Internet Ether.  Sorry... No soup for you... I
would suggest contacting Espion directly for references/reviews.

-Stuart (not Hunter)

-----Original Message-----
From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:21 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: enterprise Spam blocking products

This is probably drifting off-topic for the list, so if anyone would rather
that we take it offline that's ok. And I'm not Stuart, but enough people in
our office mix us up that it shouldn't make a difference for the list :-)

There are some things about the Interceptor that I've been very pleased
with, and others that have room for improvement. It runs some ungodly number
of tests against each inbound message, and each test gets assigned a point
value depending on the results. The total number of points gets calculated,
and if it exceeds a certain threshold then the message gets marked as spam.
You can configure the points assigned to many of the tests, and you can
adjust the threshold as well. So from that standpoint, we've found it very
effective in tuning to fit our environment. We expect that to improve over
time as we get better adjusting it and it builds a more comprehensive corpus
of our email. After a couple of weeks running it, we're finding about 48% of
our inbound mail qualifies as spam. No problems with reliability so far.

Their support folks have been great, which has been a double-edged sword
from my perspective. They're quick to answer questions and make
configuration changes; that's good. I've had a hard time getting
documentation, but that may be because our internal security department is
our contact point so I'm not working directly with the Espion folks. I still
get the sense that Espion prefers a more hands-on approach than what I'd
like...they're quick to remotely login to the box (after we open firewall
access) and work on it. I'd rather we have sufficient documentation to
configure and troubleshoot the device, and only contact them when we can't
resolve the issue. Hopefully that will improve over time. Some folks might
prefer to offload all of the support and troubleshooting to the vendor.

Let me know if you have other questions

Hunter

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:26 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: enterprise Spam blocking products

Stuart,
        Do you have experience with Espion's Interceptor appliance? It
sounds like a very nice device but I haven't been able to find any reviews
online.

Thanks,jb



-----Original Message-----
From: Fuller, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:05 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: enterprise Spam blocking products

Jason,

Two possible solutions to consider:

1. Cloudmark SpamNet - this runs locally on the client and automagically
moves spam from the inbox to a "spam" folder. See http://www.cloudmark.com/

2. Hardware based Spam appliance - this device sits in front of your mail
gateways and filters the mail before it even hits Exchange.  Users get a
daily email report so that they can see what has been blocked and have an
opportunity to request the blocked mail.  An example of this is Espion's
Interceptor appliance - see http://www.espionintl.com/interceptor.html

-Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:34 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: enterprise Spam blocking products

I started testing different spam products for our company. I'm testing GFI
right now. I'm really like Ihatespam Gateway edition, but it has limitations
because of CDO.

What I'm looking for a software that will move "spam" into a user's folder
other than the inbox without the user having to setup a filter in outlook. I
would also like for the user to have the ability to 'tell' the software when
it missed a spam message or incorrect tags a message as spam. I would prefer
a product that does not run directly on the Exchange box.

We are currently running Exchange 5.5 in a cluster.

I know I'm asking a lot, but I thought will everyone's help I could find a
product that is close.

Thank you.
jb
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