I didn't know about that... That could be an issue... -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Milburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare > > > WinPE will reboot every 24 hours, that might affect your > availability :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:54 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare > > The big thing that VMWare has going for it, and in my option > it's a big > thing, is the way they've built ESX server. > > The problem with using Virtual Server (or GSX Server from > VMWare) is that > you're still running a full blown OS underneath the virtual > machines. This > really causes a problem in which a single OS patch which > requires a reboot > means that all your VM servers also need to be rebooted - > even if they're > not Windows. > > ESX server uses a highly stripped down version of the Linux > kernel[1], and > few ancillary services. This architecture should result in > significantly > fewer issues in which the virtualization platform > necessitates downtime. I > lump the virtualization engine more in the hardware than > software side of > things - hardware should not require significant maintenance except in > break/fix scenarios. > > Now, maybe I need to see how hard it is to get Virutal Server > (or the PC > equivilent of it) running in WinPE. Maybe that's the fix to all these > problems. Of course, there are all those pesky licensing > issues to deal with > then..... > > Roger > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP > Sr. Systems Administrator > Inovis Inc. > > [1] My thoughts on Linux in general are relatively well known[2] > [2] I've been quoted as saying "BSD Skunks the Penguin" on > more than one > occasion > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:51 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare > > > > > > Well right off the bat... MS doesn't support Windows on > > VMWARE; it is best > > effort unless Microsoft can determine that the issue can be > > reproduced on > > physical hardware. VMWARE claims this is because of > > competitive reasons but > > MS never supported it even before they bought the Connectix product. > > > > >From what I have heard, our dev guys have actually hit > > things that they > > couldn't reproduce. > > > > Personally I would run Windows on VMWARE all day in a lab (we > > do) or at home > > (I did). I wouldn't even start to consider it for production > > (never ever > > ever). If you want to look at virtualization software for > > running Windows, > > get into the Virtual Server preview program that MS has as > > obviously the > > Windows products will be fully supported on that software. > > > > IBM and HP both claim full support for Windows on VMWARE. > > However you have > > to keep in mind, what can they really do? If there is a > > problem with VMWARE > > they can send that info back to the vendor. If they find a > problem in > > Windows they can send that back to MS. They have no power to > > really fix > > anything. I have had a conversation with one of the guys at > > IBM concerning > > the support model and in the end he said, there is no SLA > for software > > support from anyone - no guarantees... Great! He mentioned > > that all of their > > VMWARE contracts are one offs negotiated specifically with > > the customer at > > hand. But again, in the end, all they can do is pat your hand > > and say, we > > understand, yes that does suck that it doesn't work, but > > don't worry we sent > > someone a note - if we could fix it ourselves we would, but > we can't. > > > > I actually stopped using the VMWARE products at home about 3 > > months ago and > > switched to the MS products as I figured I might as well get > > used to it. > > > > > > Here are some links worth reading: > > > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273508 > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fservicedesks > > %2Fbin%2Fkbsea > > rch.asp%3FArticle%3D320220 > > http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/st > > ory/0,10801,87 > > 185,00.html > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Mike Baudino > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:12 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare > > > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > Server consolidation has us heading towards putting > production Windows > > Server 2003 domain controllers on VMWare VMs using ESX. We > > have not yet > > deployed AD widely (some business units have it and some > > don't) but are > > working on a new design that will handle all business units. > > Our lab is a > > combination of physical servers on workstation-class hardware > > and VMs on > > VMWare Workstation4 and on ESX. > > > > However, our direction for production DC's is VMs on ESX > > unless we find that > > it doesn't work properly or well enough. We're going to be > > testing this in > > the lab. I've seen recent emails about using VMs to spin off labs. > > But does anyone have experience running production DC's on > > VMs or any known > > "gotcha's" that they're willing to share? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Baudino > > > > > > > > ******************* PLEASE NOTE ******************* This > > E-Mail/telefax > > message and any documents accompanying this transmission may contain > > privileged and/or confidential information and is intended > > solely for the > > addressee(s) named above. 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