PHEW!!! Thought I was going mad there as I tried it myself !!! If only they had a reg setting to disable the menu item on the Deleted Items folder too :)
Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:57 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster I get different results. Feeling inaccurate, I went and enabled dumpsteralwayson on my computer. Shift+Delete the message. Check the folder it was deleted from and voila (that's my extent of French) it was in the deleted items recovery. Not too happy about that, I removed the setting, and this time went to an IMAP client. DumpsterAlwaysOn was not set at this point. I deleted and purged a message. Closed the IMAP client, and opened Outlook (XP) after resetting the key to 1. Check that folder with deleted items recovery and the message was there to be recovered. Try Shift+Delete on another message, and then was able to recover it. Bottom line, Roger and Olly are right. The message doesn't go away regardless of client or hard delete. It's marked for deletion and is later purged. You have to go into the deleted item recovery and purge the message to make it gone from all but a backup of the mailstore. One note: I didn't need the registry setting to enable the use of recovery on the deleted items folder. That was there by default. I need the registry setting to see the form for other folders however. Thanks for clearing that up :) -----Original Message----- From: deji Agba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster That is exactly how it operates in the field. UNLESS you have manually enabled DumpsterAlwaysOn on a client, when a client SHIFT-DELETES a piece of mail, that mail is GONE and NOT recoverable without going through an interesting hoop. That hoop involves looking for the most recent backup of the user's Mailbox Server's Information Store. This is what my initial response to Oliver said Now, I'm done. Sincerely, D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE MCSA MCP+I www.akomolafe.com www.iyaburo.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: Oliver Marshall Sent: Thu 1/15/2004 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster Thanks for the interesting comments on this thread. I have had official word from several MS support peeps that would seem to resolve the issue. It would seem that SHIFT+DELETE marks a message as deleted immediately without it being moved to the delted items first. As the message is only MARKED as deleted but not actually deleted it is simply not visible to the user but does still remain in the datastore. If items are sent to the deleted items they are simply moved to the deleted items. Emptying the deleted items marks all the items in that folder as deleted. So SHIFT+DELETE doesn't permanently delete emails, just permanently hides them from the user. The DUMPSTERON reg trick simply makes the dumpster menu item visible on all folders rather than just the deleted items folder. Hope that helps. Olly -----Original Message----- From: deji Agba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 07:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster I usually refrain from adding to a thread more than once, except to occasionally concur. I have always thought that, all things being equal, Shift-Delete is indeed a permanent delete, given the following circumstances: >> Assuming you DON'T have deleted item retention enabled - which is the >>default configuration You have not enabled DumpsterAlwaysOn -which is >>the default configuration You don't do brick-level backup, you don't >>have an offline Exchange server you test restore to, AND you are not >>willing to interrupt other users' access to do a live restore I've been known to be wrong before, but I don't think this is one of those moments :-p Sincerely, D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE MCSA MCP+I www.akomolafe.com www.iyaburo.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: Roger Seielstad Sent: Wed 1/14/2004 4:58 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster But Shift-Delete is not a permanent delete. Assuming you have deleted item retension enabled, shift-delete simply marks the message for deletion, but it is still available within that folder's dumpster until the DIR time expires, and is accessible using the DumpsterAlwaysOn registry setting for Outlook. Scared the crap out of my desktop guy who thought he could hide email... Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -----Original Message----- From: deji Agba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster your protection against this "CYA" type of deletion is backup. If you maintain a diligent backup of your Exchange Server, you can always do a restore to your offline server whenever you need to "prove" something. Disabling access to the "Recover Deleted Items" folder will not buy you much with a determined user who wants to cover his/her track. Shift-Del will not send deleted items to that folder, you know? Sincerely, D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE MCSA MCP+I www.akomolafe.com www.iyaburo.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: Oliver Marshall Sent: Tue 1/13/2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster Because while the Recover Deleted Items addin allows you...err...recover deleted items a user can also delete things permanently. We have had people 'covering their tracks' by deleting emails. I don't want to disable the feature all together as it's a useful IT tool for managers etc, but not for users. Olly -----Original Message----- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2004 19:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster I'm just wondering why you would want to implement such a thing. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:27 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration Templates, which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part of the GPO settings. http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do the trick. Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster > > > Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users > from accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on > an exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent > this addin being loaded. > > Olly > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%> 40mail.activedir.org/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
