I know some people may disagree, but here's my 50 cents worth of opinion.
You've got your configuration all back-assward.
 
You should not be using your ISP's DNS server. You shouldn't use their DHCP
server either, but that's negotiable, if you are in the negotiating mode :)
 
Regarddless of anything else, the DNS server should NOT forward to itself. It
should forward to the ISP's DNS server IF you have to use Forwarders at all.
This is the only place where your ISP's DNS server should be seen listed in
your AD infrastructure.
 
Sincerely,

D�j� Ak�m�l�f�, MCSE MCSA MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
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Yesterday?  -anon

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let me try to clarify everything i have.
w2k server with one nic card configured with a static ip addy and our isp
dns server address.(tcp/ip properties)
dhcp and dns is provided by isp and assigned automatically to clients.
in admin tools dns properties lists the internal dns ip as forwarders and
not the isp dns as forwarders.
and forward lookup zone is pointing towards our internal dns ip.
i added our ISP dns addresses to the forward lookup zone last night and it
thru up event id: 5782 (no dns server on local machine).



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You should have your ISP's DNS server in the forwarders tab of the internal
DNS server's properties.  Your internal DNS server must be running a
forward lookup zone for your AD or else you have serious issues.



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Peter,
Our dns is configured as a forwarder only, is that the reason i'm having
the
problems? Do I need to add our ISP DNS IPs as forwarders or just leave the
internal IPs as forwarders?
thanks!

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Patrick,
      I don't believe your problem is related to the presence or absence of
a WINS server.

      Your DHCP clients should only be getting assigned the internal DNS
server address.  The internal DNS server should be forwarding external
requests to the ISP's DNS server.  The DC should only have its internal IP
assigned as a DNS server.

-Peter



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thank you, i think i'll try installing wins. I've already added my ISP DNS
to the forwarders, but do i need to stop and start the netlogon for this to
take affect?

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Patrick,
      Here are the KB articles:

      http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;135919

      http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;261968

      The second article explains why this problem is intermittent.
-Peter



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it is assigning the ISPs DNS, I called our ISP about it and LAN support is
supposed to be calling me back (right, right). I inherited this mess and
I'm
still learning how this system is setup, so bear with me and thank you!

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Patrick,
      Make sure that your DHCP server is not assigning the ISP's DNS server
to clients, it should only be assigning your internal DNS address.  I
assume that your clients are Win2k or XP in which case the IP stack
performs some "optimization" of the DNS server list based on successful /
unsuccessful lookups.  I can't find the KB article or go into detail right
now because of time constraints but this may fix your problem.

-Peter



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Hi all,
my scenario:
1 w2k server running AD
Cisco 1721 Router DHCP
ISP provides DNS
We intermittently have logon problems where users lose their profile
information and now i've run into where one user can't logon unless i
assign
a static ip addy and even then he can't access internet. I've checked the
event viewer and i have a ton of event id: 5774
I have tried a few things mentioned on the MS website but most are for if
you run DNS internally. Our DNS is running but with forwarders.
Does anyone know what I can do or why this is happening?
Thanks,


Patrick

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