here's the deal-

i've had this samething happen to a child domain. the domain admins had full exchange 
admin rights on their admin group. however, when you open up exchange system manager, 
you could'nt see anything. In adsiedit, if you looked in the exchange services 
container in the configuration partition, you could'nt look deeper than the org. there 
was nothing there. and if you wanted to look at the acl's of the org, it was empty.
STILL, in exchange system manager, you saw they had full exchange admin rights(and i'm 
not talking about recieve as, to open a mailbox. i just mean full rights to view and 
administer their admin group.). this was never resolved.
Now i have the same issue in my child domain with the blackberry service account.
I'm the only one who administers this domain and nothing was changed. really. 
is there an explicit deny somewhere? how would i find it? tgere's nothing in the 
security log on the blackberry server.
this is the kind of stuff that keeps me up all night.

could someone have done something at the root? we have no gpo on our domain, dc, or 
site that would cause this. i checked them all, including the local one on the server.

what the heck is going on here? this is twice now with 2 seperate domains!!!
both domains are mixed mode running win2k. the root domain is native mode. exchange 2k 
is native mode.
all servers are win2k except on win2k3 server in the root and an exchange2k3 server, 
also in the root.

thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:09 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:EXCHANGE weirdness


Permissions get changed all the time.  Monitoring the DC's for group
membership changes has been helpful here.  You'd be surprised what people
think is a good idea ;)

As for permissions, putting that account in domain admins is likely the
wrong thing to do.  If you look in the security logs, you'll likely find a
clue to the answer as to why it won't start.  My guess is that it has
conflicting permissions.  By default Exchange 200x doesn't allow
administrators and other admins the ability to log into to peoples
mailboxes.  That may be preventing the service from starting.  Could also be
a GPO change or other I'm sure, but I'd start with the event logs to see why
it won't start.

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT:EXCHANGE weirdness

i have a user(blackberry service account) who has full exchange admin rights
on our admin group, now suddenly(i know there is no "now suddenly", but
nothing changed, honest), blackberry service wont start and when i open
exchange manager, i can't  see any admin group logged in as the blackberry
account.
when i log in as another account, i can see everything. i put the bb account
into domain admins, and still same thing.
why?
and more importantly, how do permissions and roles get lost like that?
I'm running a win2k ad mixed mode and exchange 2k native mode.
thanks
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