Are you related to Paul Sr. on American Chopper? :-/

Robert


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Nah, I love pinball... 
 
Plus I never fix anything, I just complain and I wholeheartedly stand by
that story. :o)



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<quote> "the support guys going to play pinball or something and that one
guy in the corner who doesn't talk to anyone goes and fixes the problem"
</quote> ... that's you that is :) 

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LOL. This sentence "The support guys have been playing about all day and I
'think' it's OK now." makes me think of the support guys going to play
pinball or something and that one guy in the corner who doesn't talk to
anyone goes and fixes the problem. :o)

 

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;o)

Our mail filtering product blew up and they had no resilience built in..
The support guys have been playing about all day and I 'think' it's OK now.

Cheers Joe.

R

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Oh yeah, I am officially scared now...



BTW, look at the end of this message, it looks like your guys' eventsync
went a little crazy tacking on the disclaimer there... I counted like 23
occurrences. 


> Whilst the MCPS-PRS Alliance monitors all communications for potential
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and 
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Such as full mailboxes from this disclaimer. :o)



 

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As always.... and pitched at the perfect level.... 

Many hours/days of sweat and tears have been saved thanks to everyone's
input on here.

Hey, I love you guys  :O)

'He Says', grinning inanely, while readjusting his Joeware thong and
stroking the picture of Dean sat beside his monitor.



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For those of you that don't always read the more lengthy, complex replies
... read this one, it's simple (and to some, its content may even seem
obvious) but, IMHO, it's brilliantly put!

Joe's post manages to succinctly address the "whys" of an incredibly complex
topic ... with all due respect, FANTASTIC job Joe, just great!

Deano

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This issue with this is at that is opens more attack vectors on the DC.
Normally the only vectors you have are 

1. Anyone with physical access
2. Any services that expose remotely exploitable holes.


With 1, you can put compensating controls into place such as locking the DC
into a room or locking the cabinet or something like that. However, any
person who has physical access (there has to be someone) that isn't a
domain/ent admin is still a danger. 

With 2, you compensate by not running any services that are not explicitely
required for authenticating/authorizing people and keeping the system well
patched. However any new remote non-authenticated exploit is still a serious
danger.

When you allow users to TS into the machine you now allow any additional
vectors that require local desktop for privilege escalation, PLUS, unless
you have specially built a load to harden against local users like that you
probably have numerous other security issues in terms of what users can get
access to. 

I go by the basic tenet that I am not the smartest person in the universe
when making decisions around security. In that I mean that even though I may
not know of a hole or exploit or how to crack a given system, it doesn't
mean someone else doesn't. Basically I can say something is unsafe but I
can't with certainty declare something irrefutably safe. 

Recall that DCs are KDCs. No one in the business of running KDCs whether
they be on UNIX, Windows, VMS, or other think it is a good idea to let
normal users anywhere near them. It is the heart of the security of your
network. 


On top of that, DCs sometimes have to be rebooted for various replication
issues, etc. Normally this is something that is transparent to the user as
they don't need a DC all of the time and even if they needed one while the
one was down, they would find another and use it.
This obviously goes away if you have the users using files on a DC, using
printers on a DC, or most definitely have them TSing into a DC. 


  joe
 

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Gotta strange question for you.  Powers to be asked if I would install a
"backup" domain controller on a local terminal server and if I would have a
problem with it.  They do not see an issue with it.  So, basically users
would log into a terminal server that is a DC.  Can you share your opinion?
Also, they also said that we can you have a domain controller sit there
doing nothing just waiting for the "primary"
controller to fail (not in a cluster configuration)?  Does anyone know
anything about this configuration?  Can you share?

Thanks in advance!


Kind Regards,

Jennifer Fountain
R&B Inc
3400 E Walnut Street
Colmar, PA  18915

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