Yep exactly. I was actually asked once by some folks from MS what I would say if they removed WINS support from their clients. I told them I wouldn't say anything, I would laugh my butt off at them for doing something so short sighted without understanding their user base or their own applications.
MS has a bad case of the left hand and right hand syndrome. I say this pretty regularly, they try to run like they are a small company and they aren't anymore. So the communication is hurting and unless you happen to know the person or someone who knows the person who wrote something, it can be difficult to get an answer to something. Couple that with people making all sorts of assumptions on how some other product they are dependent on or has dependencies on them works and you see all sorts of fun things that make you bang your head. The missing communication for instance between Exchange and AD teams is a great thing to focus on. I also like running into the Dev guys saying at special conferences, wow, you guys should have told someone about that when in fact the "you guys" had been trying to tell PSS or someone else for ages and kept getting it punted back out as not being worth being forwarded up the chain to Dev. There have been several occasions where I have had to jump up and down shouting at some PSS person to escalate a problem and they didn't want to because they didn't know enough to think it should be. They don't seem to want to bother Dev with some of this stuff and I can understand that too if from the Dev side they tend to get pounded if they ask questions about something they don't understand. So you get poor to no turnover of new tech info from Dev to PSS, PSS doesn't want to look stupid and get yelled at by Dev for asking questions they probably should know and would if there was proper documentation and hand over so PSS in turn is leery to pass on things the customers come up with that aren't right and you are right back at the beginning again when you sit in front of the dev guys and they go, wow, you should float that info up when you find it... joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS They've fully admitted that Exchange requires WINS. :-) http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=837391 I didn't hunt them down, but I've read other KBs that talk about other features that require WINS. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS Yeah I would take that bet too... Sucker bet on Brian's part. :oP I am one of the bemoaners on this. Doubt it will get changed, despite evidence to the contrary (say Exchange for instance) MS wants to think that WINS isn't required anymore so being dead tech shouldn't be updated. However, to possibly jinx this to go the right way I will say... There is no chance whatsoever that Microsoft will ever fix it so WINS Administration can be delegated. They just aren't bright enough to pull it off... On top of that, they will never ever make it so you can disable registration of records on specific WINS Servers and make them only read-only or allow admins only to make registrations (say through NETSH or WINSCL) or say that only certain machines are allowed to update their records there. :o) joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Free, Bob Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS I'll take that bet :-) Many have bemoaned the fact that you can't delegate WINS administration or that there is no equivalent of DnsAdmins for WINS. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS I'm betting there's a control access right (aka extended right) you can delegate this group on your server OUs to manage WINS. No evidence, but, I'm inclined to believe there is such a thing. Look at the Server Ops delegations. --Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 -----Original Message----- From: Carr, Jonathan (OFT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS You can make a Global security group in the AD called Wins Admins and then add the group to the local administrators group of the WINS servers either manually or via a GPO. Then all you have to do is populate the AD group with the users.. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Robert Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS I think Server op will do it. -----Original Message----- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 July 2004 16:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS I believe access to WINS requires local admin access. To allow them to administer WINS, they will have to be a local admin on the box where WINS is running. Denny -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosales, Mario Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:51 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [ActiveDir] AD and WINS Is there a way to restrict access to WINS like DNS in Server 2003? For Example, if we want the DNS admins to Administer the Wins servers, how do you go about give them access just to WINS administration? Any help would be appreciate it! Thanks, Mario ************************************************************************ *** The contents of this communication are intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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