LOL with all of you. Its Vancouver in March... Even DC in March was pushing it, March is Lousiana or Florida or Arizona or Texas. Seriously though, I am pretty tied up with a customer right now with fun issues with Exchange and third party tools where I at the point of monitoring every change to all user objects as a non-admin. There is also the whole issue of who do I go as? Do I go as joe from joeware or Joe Richards Senior Consultant for a major Technology company. Completely different roles that I have to be careful with on both sides of the fence. Most people in the world know me as joe of joeware not as Joe Richards Consultant so I should go as joe the joeware guy which means costing personal money or riding on Gil which I feel I would need to present something for. That doesn't bother me overly much but the question is what to present? I can use ethereal, I am not an ethereal guru. Hate to see people put in a position of supposed expert there to talk and answer questions on something when they aren't that expert, especially when that people is me. There are a lot of people talking and/or writing on a lot of subjects that they quite frankly shouldn't be talking or writing about and I don't want to drop myself in that category in anyone's mind.
I could of course speak about joeware, but it is pretty simple stuff, not sure what could be said about it in a "session" that people would find value in. Possibly Gil can take some informal poll at the event on who would like to see a joeware presentation at a future event, what they think should be in that presentation and we will go from there for the next DEC. I have no problem going as long as work isn't involved or in the way and Gil is getting value out of it. In the meanwhile I will try to figure out something cool to present some time that I would be comfortable presenting and feel is worth Gil giving me that ride as I did thoroughly enjoy the DEC I went to last spring. The straight up best part of the whole event was sitting and casually talking to Stuart and Andreas and Paul Rich and a couple of the other MS guys with beers in our hand after the troubleshooting session. I also thoroughly enjoyed hearing the opinions of the various presenters and where they were taking various ideas layed out and discussed on this actual listserv. Of course the Wook presentation was out of this world; I believe somewhere around Jupiter or Saturn if I had to guess. You had to know quite a bit about AD to really grasp what was being said and make the connections otherwise you were wondering why there was a national forestry service presentation going on at a Directory conference and wondering when Smokey the Bear was going to walk out from the wings. Very enjoyable. Interesting all the MVPs coming out of the wordwork saying they are going now. I don't recall many at the last one. Guido was there but he was ripping DLG/Universal shots off at me up on the podium; you knew the people who were on this list because they would chuckle and turn and look at me which was a pretty good number of the people there. Robbie was trying to get me sick with some kind of cold he had and had me feeling guilty because I knew I had chapters on the laptop up in my room that I needed to get reviewed for him. All and all a lot of fun. Oh BTW, there is a hacking contest I guess. Anyone who has knowledge on some of the more evil ways of breaking into a forest try to keep mum and not impress people. If you know how it is done, you don't need to impress people, you are impressive enough all on your own. Full Disclosure is fine when there is a quick way to fix the problem. Keep in mind, that those holes are not things that MS will be fixing any time soon and if you get them out there in the hands of people who can't find or figure them out on their own you could be opening up cans of worms. Not ripping on anyone, it is just these mechanisms have been around a long time and still most people don't understand how it can be done and I would really not mind if it stayed that way until MS has an answer and unfortunately, that answer is a rather involved redesign or buying products which should not be the base security answer for the forest, that is a position of blackmail. To put it another way, don't show people how to do things that could eventually be used to hurt you unless you explicitely trust the person you are showing to not share with others. I would hate to start hearing from people who know how to break in that couldn't have figured it out on their own and finding out it is because someone wanted to impress folks by showing how it can be done. I would be less than pleasant to anyone listed as being the supplier of that info; granted that doesn't mean much. I trust Rick will have a couple of empties near him to glance off the foreheads of people sharing a bit too much. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coleman, Hunter Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Sorry, I thought they were asking for a show of hands. Mine's been up in the air for a week now...I was counting on a "Joe's Ethereal for Dummies" session. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Could be you, could be me. Is it that no one but Jorge is going to DEC or is it that no one but Jorge knows who I am? joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada I feel so.... rejected. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Hmmm. Listen to the roar of indifference.... :oP -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge de Almeida Pinto Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:09 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; '[email protected] ' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada I think Joe needs a bit more convincing. Let's vote: ;-) (1) Joe should come to DEC, tell something interesting and he can "leave his shorts on" AND he will get a beer... ;-)) (2) Joe stays at home and afterwards he hears from us how much fun it was CHOOSE... I say (1) Will this convince him? Cheers Jorge -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: 2/4/2005 2:21 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada <<SMIME.txt>> This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. 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