Ah, thank you for pointing that out. I did confused them. Kenny
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mulnick, Al Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP Hmm... Although based on the same technology, don't confuse ADAM with AD. ADAM is the lightweight version of AD technology. I.E. it's an LDAP server vs. an identification, authentication, and authorization infrastructure (aka special sauce ingredients). Al -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Mann Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP I'll probably want programmer side later, when I understand what I'm doing. BTW, someone posted this link: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/adam/default.mspx Here is Microsoft's definition: Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Application Mode For organizations that require flexible support for directory-enabled applications, Microsoft has developed Active Directory(r) Application Mode (ADAM). ADAM is a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) directory service that runs as a user service, rather than as a system service. Active Directory Application Mode represents a breakthrough in directory services technology that provides flexibility and helps organizations avoid increased infrastructure costs. My interpreation is: We use LDAP and some other common nifty stuff, but also have our usual secret sauce that makes it special. So, I would then assume that LDAP is a specific section of AD and other parts can (and probably are/will) be included in most domains. I guess my next step is to get a 2k3 active directory book and figure out the different parts of it and get more books from there as needed. Right now I'm assuming I don't know jack about AD aside from what the GUI shows (and even then...) and I know AD is allot more powerful that what I'm using it for where I work. /curious george mode engages As for my personal hobby at home, I just want the easiest thing to manage. I sometimes add a domain, sometimes a user, sometimes an alias. The reason LDAP appealed to me was that a domain is the root. A user is under that, and the user's special things (like having SSH access, or their own website) could be implemented easily through that (given I wrote some code or did some special things...). Kenny -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP Stella has been scrounging the dusty antiquarian bookshops in New York and London and has managed to snag a few copies. We'll have a handful of my books available at DEC. For some reason Pearson never wanted to do a 2nd edition. What a bunch of poopy-heads (according to my 4 year old). Yeah, it doesn't sound like Kenny is looking for the programmers end of things. -gil -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP I recommend your book a lot as well, in fact there is at least one list member that has been trying to buy the darn thing based on my recommendation but can't find it anywhere!!!! I have pointed at a couple of resources, it was actually ordered from one resource (ebay) and the member got a note back saying, oh sorry, I haven't had that in stock for over a year.... So get with it Gil! Reprints! And don't forget about getting me royalties for people I send that way. ;oP Anyway, for this person, I am not sure throwing them into AD programming book is the best course at least initially. :o) It is like someone who wants to use kerberos and you point them at the MIT dist. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP Aww, man... How come my book isn't up there? -gil -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP Hey now... Don't forget about Alistair. He did that first edition himself and did it well. :) The Cat Book rocks. Actually I should get royalties for that one too, I have made a bunch of people buy it and have bought and given away multiple copies myself. I still have my first copy though it is quite dog-eared and I put laminating plastic on the covers so they wouldn't get too torn up. Here is the actual AD Org Books link - http://www.activedir.org/Books.aspx , actually it would be kind of cool if we could rate them. How about it Tony? Have a couple of fields for each, number of people who have the book, number of people who recommend it, number of people who don't recommend it. I am surprised AD Developers Reference Library by Iseminger is on the list. That is a great book but wouldn't expect a lot of the list users to have read it. I recall reading it back in like 2001 or so and getting a bit scared at what a really pissed off AD programmer could pull off. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mulnick, Al Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP Personally? I like to think of AD as a GUI to Microsoft's implementation of LDAP. That simplifies a lot of things for me. However, there is more to it than that and the books you ordered should help in clarifying that. You don't need to know LDAP to make AD work, but it helps. It's a great help to me to understand the differences between Microsoft's AD and Sun's implementation of LDAP or IBM's implementation or any of the others for the basics. When you start getting into managing the directory and the objects in the directory, Microsoft really differentiates itself with GPO's and the multi-master replication and the tools to support the infrastructure. As you're looking at this, remember that name resolution is one of the most important things you can deal with when making AD a solid enterprise app. The book from O'Reilly sounds like Robbie's book. I haven't read it, but have heard good things about it (what can I say Robbie, I don't have a budget for it :) If it's not Robbie's book for AD, then it would be a good idea to grab that one as well. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596004664/103-8355416-0173405 Sakari Kouti also has written a good book, called, "Inside Active Directory" that would be worth picking up. http://www.kouti.com/ You should be able to find some other information about books at http://www.activedir.org Al -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Mann Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ActiveDir] Active Directory and LDAP I don't understand LDAP and Active Directory as much as I should. So, I've ordered 2 LDAP books (O'Reilly and another) to learn. I'm curious as to how much LDAP and Active Directory have in common. Is AD just a GUI for LDAP? Perhaps there is a book everyone here recommends or will my LDAP books hopefully cover enough so I could be able to feel my way around Active Directory good enough? Doing a search with the word 'book' gives a ton of irrelvent searches in the archives. I saw one book but it's out of print. 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