Thanks to everyone who has responded to this. Some great suggestions and founts of knowledge
Jonny > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Miller > Sent: 18 March 2005 15:52 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Continuity planning and AD > > > Most back up software have a disaster recover built in. In > that you can > build recovery CD from tapes (OS Speaking). There are > variation on this > theme > > For example. backup exec has this feature however it > requires that you > RECREATE the cd after every change to a server. It cannot be > built from a > tape, Thus you must keep an up to date recovery CD. this is > the fastest > recover method although if your CD are not up to date your > back to square > one. The typical trade off between efficiency and > manageability. The Cd > should be boot able. > > Retrospect software. Allows you to do this from tape > eliminating the need > to have up-to-date recovery CD's. I'm still demoing this > software. It has > lived up to it's claims although if your not familiar with > its process. it > is convoluted and very order dependent. one misstep and square one. > Coolness about this is you can Boot from tape. well first > the CD but it > attaches easily to the tape drives for expedited recovery times. > > As anyone who has done disaster recovery implementation > knows. There is > truly no one solution to this issue. once you step from the realm of > indifferent hardware. The beast changes shape. Windows is typically > forgiving when it encounters dissimilar hardware in that if > it has access to > the I386 Director all should turn out fine. this hold water > as long as the > Processors are within the same family. try doing this from a > ZEON to a > Itanium or pentium and you blue screen at start up and have > had little luck > running the recovery. I believe this is tied to the NTLDR file. > > When considering a palatable DR strategy. Its not just " is > the data safe > and recoverable". But in what time frame can this be > completed. If it > takes a week to get back up. Thats a disaster. Giving a > typical turn > around time of 24 hours can this accomplished using above > methods. To a > degree' based on size of company total data load and blah > blah blah. > > What im getting to is this. it may be easier cheaper faster. > to replicate > data real time. Identify critical systems replicate hardware. > and do real > time replication across say dedicate T1 to your offsite DR. > up to the > minuet and available immediately. Windows handled this through DCOM > however i have heard that was replaced by clustering service > new to 2003. > Very expensive > > i have a payroll system. which handle several tens of > thousand checks to > people every week. I replicate all changed data in real > time. If we were to > lose our Internet connection. the software through the > Dedicated T1 drops > the change queue to the Off site system then once that is > complete initiates > the RAS services. The client has a heart beat built in in > that if after 7 > minuets it cannot reach the primary RAS server. It then queries the > secondary address. this is completely transparent to the > user with the > exception that everything "PAUSED" for the allocated time. > once back up the > reverse happens in that it coordinates the transition per > client as the new > queue request are handled from the DR server and migrated back to the > Primary system. Complete invisible to user as long as an > outage does not > occur again. > > > Sorry so long winded. DR was a serious and still is to a > degree a thorn in > an IT person side. Just remember the ROSE it is attached to. > If ever you > need it. Nothing like looking exceptional to the CEO CFO and > all the other > people ho have that alphabet in their names. > > I hoped this helped I realize it doesn't address the step by > step request. > the only way you'll get that is to develope and repeat the > process till it > work 4 out of 5 times. then you can sleep with only one eye open > > > Glen Miller > Payflex System USA, Inc. > Desktop management > Evolution Administration > 402 231 8666 > 402 231 4357 > 402 650 2949 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carerros, Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:45:33 -0600 > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Continuity planning and AD > > > My organization just moved to a W2K3 AD and we have one of > our offsite > > DR tests coming up. I was wondering if someone wouldn't > mind sharing > > any step > > by step documentation that you have generated to perform > this restore > > (basically so I don't have to go and draft one from scratch)? > > > > If not, is there any other interesting tid-bits that we > need to know. > > (I > > will probably end up restoring two Domain Controllers, one for the > > Forest > > and one for my domain during this test plan) so any and all > help will > > be > > nice. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hunter, Laura E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:23 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Continuity planning and AD > > > > > > I run into this a lot; we go to Sungard twice a year to do > DR testing > > and we never -ever- get identical hardware. It becomes a > voodoo dance > > of running a repair, occasionally doing an in-place upgrade, and > > getting rid of now-extinct metadata and replication entries with > > ntdsutil and repadmin. > > > > FWIW, it works better on 2003 than 2000, since sometimes the TCP/IP > > stack gets hosed and it's easier to delete/recreate in 2003 > than 2000 > > - it's a 3-step KB article instead of a 3 -page- one. > > > > Laura > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:37 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Cc: [email protected]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Continuity planning and AD > > > > > > Hi Johnny > > > > > > In theory, you should be able to do your restore to the > > > different hardware, and then boot to the CD, choose setup, > > > and choose repair existing version of Windows to redetect all > > > hardware. I am not sure this is supported but we were able > > > to do it in our forest recovery test with no real problems > > > besides time time time and more time. > > > > > > Make sure you test the solution well before deciding that an > > > identical box is not the answer. > > > > > > Regards; > > > > > > James R. Day > > > Active Directory Core Team > > > Office of the Chief Information Officer > > > National Park Service > > > (202) 354-1464 (direct) > > > (202) 371-1549 (fax) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "jonny" > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent by: cc: > > > (bcc: James Day/Contractor/NPS) > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: > > > [ActiveDir] Continuity planning and AD > > > > > > tivedir.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 03/18/2005 10:03 AM GMT > > > > > > > > > Please respond to > > > > > > > > > ActiveDir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am a bit of AD newbie so I am not even sure if this is an > > > AD issue; so apologies in advance. > > > > > > Anyway, we have a disaster recovery server which we plan to > > > store off site. > > > This will be switched off while in storage. Our live server > > > is a Windows 2000 server running AD. The backup software is > > > Veritas Backup Exec. We do not use one button recovery. > > > > > > The plan is this at the moment: when our server cathes fire, > > > is flooded or stolen, we take a recent tape from off site > > > with all our data and another tape with our 'system' and > > > restore. Well that was easy!! > > > > > > Well aside from many likely problems this I the one I want to > > > ask about > > > here: > > > > > > The system tape is derived from a Veritas backup called > > > System backup. I believe this backs up all the registry > > > settings and I assume the user databse, the DNS, DHCP setting > > > and other services settings also. The recovery server is not > > > a hardware duplicate of the live server, but it does run > > > Windows 2000 server and Veritas. > > > > > > Question: I have been told a systemn restore will result in > > > the recovery server crashing as it is not a hardware > > > duplicate. How do I backup (and > > > restore) all the software and operating system settings and > > > the AD settings without requiring a hardware duplicate? 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