Disagree Rick, MS changed the verbiage in the Q article to say they would support it. I think it was when Stewart and I got into it a little here that caused them to rethink the Q article... but I don't want to take the credit. Todd
_____ From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 11:12 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not? Todd - I personally don't have a problem with Recovery Manager. That being said - Last I checked, Microsoft still didn't allow it as a SUPPORTABLE solution for the purpose under discussion. With our company being an Enterprise Agreement customer with a PSS agreement scaled to 'Get Ballmer out of bed - we've got a CritSit case!" response, I can't allow anything into the environment that would put us at risk. Besides, being an EA customer has the benefit of the solution that I proposed being pretty low-cost, given the overall benefits. And, I don't find NTDSUTIL overly difficult or intensive to use. But, that's just me. -rtk -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:34 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why? Is it cheaper and more efficient to go the replication lag site route than buy a proper backup and object level restore solution? I mean not to toot a vendor's horn, but Quest recovery manager turns the process of restoring objects into a 15 minute click click operation. I would hate to think of the number of steps you all must do to reanimate the object in a directory using the "Recovery Site". >From a operations standpoint, there is no substitute for a proper backup solution and object level restore utility for AD. Thanks, Todd Myrick -----Original Message----- From: TIROA YANN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:20 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site Neil, I now understand... I'm a new man by now thanks to the mysterious lag site that have been revealed to me :-)) Thanks a lot for your explanations. Cordialement, Yann TIROA Centre de Ressources Informatique. Campus Scientifique de la DOUA. Bât. Gabriel Lippmann - 2 ème étage - salle 238. 43, Bd du 11 Novembre 1918. 69622 Villeurbanne Cedex. -----Message d'origine----- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] De la part de Ruston, Neil Envoyé : jeudi 19 mai 2005 10:09 À : 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org' Objet : RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site If the deletion occurs on DC1, then a DC (DC2) in the lag site will not receive the deletion immediately. You therefore have a window of opportunity in which the deletion may be 'undone'. The deleted object may be auth restored on DC2 and thus replicated / reanimated on DC1 (and any other DC which has received the deletion). [My terminology may not be acceptable to some - I have deliberately explained this in simplistic terms :)] neil -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of TIROA YANN Sent: 19 May 2005 08:54 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site Hello, I must apologize, but i'm a little bit confused. You said "With a lag site, you ONLY have to do an authoritative restore (NTDSUTIL)". Do you mean if i delete my OU in DC in site A, all i have to do is do an autoritative restore, not on site A, BUT on DC on lag site, reboot, and dforce replication to site A ? And the non-autoritative restore will be in fact the data on the lag site, that explain your prévious sentence ? Waou! That's very celver !! Am I right ? Regards, Yann -----Message d'origine----- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] De la part de Dan Holme Envoyé : jeudi 19 mai 2005 08:51 À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Objet : RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site The major issue is the SPEED of recovery. With a lag site, you ONLY have to do an authoritative restore (NTDSUTIL). Without a lag site, you must first restore the AD from backup tape ('normal' restore), which can take quite some time!!!! Then, and only then, can you do the auth restore. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of TIROA YANN Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site Hello, Thanks for this interesting tips, but i didn't really understand the "behind the techno" of a lag site in case of just a deletion of an entire OU with many objects. For example,if I have AD 2003 domain with 2 sites: Site A has 2 DCs Site B has one DC and is the lag site Between 2 sites, i scheduled repl to appear every 1 week. In the situation of an OU deletion, i go to the DC i have made the deletion, and do an autoritative restore in dsmode and after rebbot, wait for replication to take place in order to repopulate all my domain with my OU restored. So what will the lag site help me in this situation ? I can understand that a lag site will help me if all my DCs in site A crashed. So i would take all informations from the lag site to be restored in site A such as "copy" my domain from the lag site by doing a dcpromo /adv, and go my freshly installed DCs on site A, and restored my whole domain. However, I think i will have more updated information by restoring from my yerterday backup than from the lag site... So, could you help me better understand the behind the techno of a lag site, i thing i misunderstand something important ;-( Thank you for your feedback. 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