I would have to agree with Rick here, I am positive everything needed to be an effective Admin isn't taught. In fact I would bet 95% of the admin stuff I have done over the years isn't taught in any class, even if you took hundreds of hours of classes. Heck you could probably spend thousands of hours just covering all of the KB articles.
I wouldn't ever consider any training to be the end all be all of what can and should be done. Honestly I have never been a fan of the whole certification system and training is good for certain things. The folks that I have run into that are good MCSEs or MCDs were already good before they took any training or tests. The training is simply, in my mind, just a way to get a quick spinup on basics on some products or maybe a deepdive in some specific aspects (this would be training you would get from internal experts like Dean or Mark Russinovich/David Solomon). Consider any professional training you get simply to be the beginning of your training. Think of it like high school or college or any vocational training, you learn enough to get you going, not enough to be forever sufficient. The better the instructor, the better your start. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 7:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD I'd say this is a discussion much better taken up in the MCT newsgroups. I'd love to see Paul Adare's reaction to this.... My only comment - When I taught Windows 2000 AD, and now teaching Windows Server 2003 - every one of my students was taught to remove a failed DC using NTDSUTIL. I created the lab that taught this for my students, because yes - MS does not cover it in the MOC. However, that being said - just because it's not in the MOC doesn't mean it's not of value. The MOC is the student reference for the instructor to ADD VALUE TO. So, if details of NTDSUTIL, or FSMO roles, or replication inner workings aren't there - it's my job as an instructor to go beyond what they already have. That's how *I* teach it. YMMV..... Rick Kingslan MCSE, MCSA, MCT, CISSP Microsoft MVP: Windows Server / Directory Services Windows Server / Rights Management Windows Security (Affiliate) Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone WebLog - www.msmvps.com/willhack4food -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:31 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jose Medeiros-Gmail (E-mail) Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD Hi Robert, I received most of my training on 2000 server, Active Directory, Clustering 2000 , Exchange 2000 and SQL 2000 from Quickstart Technologies in san Francisco. All in all I have just about 600 hours of MOC training from Quickstart on 2000 server technologies ( Cathy Moya with Microsoft was one of my instructors at Quickstart and she was also my instructor for TCP/IP for NT 3.51 and Windows 95 at Technowlgy Education centers in San Francisco back in 1996 ) . I may be mistaken but in the MOC recovery labs I do not recall any mention of using NTDSUTIL other then to seize the FSMO roles due to a failed DC controller that held the FSMO. If Microsoft expects people who take MOC training at a CTEC to be effective 2000 / 2003 sys admins then such procedure to remove failed controllers should also be covered in the labs, and I also see no reason as to why Microsoft does not have a GUI tool yet to remove such connections effectively. I'll have to be honest with you I have had no training on AD 2003 and I am not sure if the 2003 AD class covers this, so if it does, please accept my apology for my comment. ( I did take an Exchange 2003 Class from KenVonberg a Microsoft MVP and MCT and the MOC for Exchange 2003 did not cover this either ). I am not putting down Microsoft only suggesting improvements in it's flagship product for ease of management. BTW Technowlogy Education centers was actually spelled Technowlogy not Technology before they were acquired by Productivity Point. :-) Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org ------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Williams (RRE) Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD What specific MOC Course (s) are you referring to? Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD Hi Robert, Thank you for pointing that out. I hope that the MOC courseware was also changed to reflect Microsoft's support recommendations on this subject. Thanks again, Jose Medeiros www.ntea.net www.sfntug.org www.tvnug.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Williams (RRE) Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD Also, unless you have a hankering for FRS headaches, you should make sure that the FRS objects in AD are deleted as well. The safest way is to use the methods built in (ntdsutil as per the articles mentioned). Good Luck! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD Hi Antonio, In theory you should just be able to go into sites and services and delete the server object. You will also have to delete the existing KCC connections to each DC that still has a connection to the deleted server and you will have to go into DNS and delete the SERVER SRV records that point to the old server and tombstone the Wins entry if your using a Wins server. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros ------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Antonio Aranda Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ActiveDir] removing a DC from AD Could anyone tell me how to remove a Domain Controller that does not exit anymore from AD? I had three controllers and one had a catastrophic hardware failure. So now I need to remove a nonexistent DC from the AD. Antonio ======================================================================== ====== This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, Credit Suisse, its subsidiaries and affiliates (CS) do not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CS retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. 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