Modify rights doesn't give them the ability to delete files/folders.  You have 
to go to the Advanced tab on permissions and edit their rights and check the 
box to enable them to delete their own home drive files/folders

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rochford
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories


The trouble is that Microsoft's idea of "locked down" and my idea of "locked 
down" don't match...

I work in a college (and I think Debbie works in a similar environment) and 
there's no way I'd give users full control over even their own folders - the 
most they get is "modify" on everything in their user area. (Giving full allows 
them to change permissions - most will do this accidentally and manage to 
remove themselves from the list or they will give access to other users. In a 
work environment this may be a good thing - it allows users to share work on an 
ad-hoc basis. For students, it's typically a way to move "pirate" material 
around...)

There's also a problem in that if users can create folders in the root share 
then they will - again, some will do this accidentally and lose work in that 
way; others will do it maliciously. Whichever, when you have 14,000 folders to 
worry about you don't want odd ones sneaking in
:-)

The downside of this is that you can't then have the folder created by the 
redirection process as the user logs on; no big deal - we script the user 
creation so we also create the home folder with the permissions we want 
(admins, system - full; user - modify)

On a regular basis we also force the permissions and ownership back to what 
they should be - I've found setacl (http://setacl.sourceforge.net) to be easier 
to use for this than subinacl.

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Holme
> Sent: 27 May 2005 16:14
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> The best practice permissions for the ROOT SHARE (for home
> directories, roaming profiles & folder redirection) are 
> listed below.  There is a lot of confusion about these perms, 
> b/c there are inconsistencies in MS doc.
> I've tested these to make sure they work and (as you'll see) 
> they're pretty well locked down.
> 
> The root share
> ==============
> ACL
> Users*:Allow:List Folder & Create Folders
> 
>       Inheritance: This folder only (**** THIS IS TRICKY AND
> IS NOT THE DEFAULT **** Set "Apply onto" to "THIS FOLDER ONLY")
> 
>       *Or another group that includes users who will have
> folders under this root
> 
> Creator Owner:Allow:Full
>       Inheritance: Subfolders & files only
> 
> System:Allow:Full
>       Inheritance: This folder, subfolders & files
> 
> Administrators: <depends>
>       Set based on Enterprise information security policy
> 
> Share
>       Hidden share name (sharename$)
>       Share permissions: Everyone:Allow:Full
> 
> ** Do not create individual user folders ** How folders are
> created ======================= Home folders: created & 
> perm'd automatically 
> 
> Redirected folders: created, perm'd, user owner
> 
>       SUBINACL on Res Kit to change ownership if you must
> create folder in advance. (Be sure to download newest patched 
> version of SubInACL from MS web site)
> 
> Profiles: created & perm'd automatically
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:00 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> Yes, make sure that the top level home folder that your share
> is pointing to does not have rights for those users to make 
> changes.  They should only have rights at their individual folder.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> Share Level Perms
> \\server\home1 is your home folder share which has the
> following perms:
>       Administrators - FC
>       Domain Users - C
> 
> NTFS Perms
> That folder maps to h:\home1 on your server.  Home1 should have the
> following:
>       Administrators - FC
> 
> There's a user folder under home1 that exists under home1
> that maps to JohnDoe such as h:\home1\johndoe.
> 
> At the johndoe folder, you want to make sure the following
> permissions are set:
>       Administrators - FC
>       JohnDoe - Modify
> 
> 
> So now you can map the user's H: drive or whatever to
> \\server\home1\johndoe.
> 
> Hope that helps...
> 
> :m:dsm:cci:mvp
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellis, Debbie
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:50 AM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> But it also allows then to create new folders under the top
> level Home share. Is there a way around that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> Now that your share-level permissions are correct, you need
> to add the individual user to their respective home folder 
> and grant modify permissions (ntfs).  That should give them 
> change access to their files.
> 
> :m:dsm:cci:mvp
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellis, Debbie
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> 
> I appreciate all the feedback. I had to end up giving domain
> users change access on the top level Home share folder.  (On 
> both file and share) I removed domain users from the 
> individual home directory/folders.  The problem I have with 
> the solution is that won't users be able to create folders in 
> the Home Folder? Is there a solution to this?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:30 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> Sorry.  Please don't perceive my earlier post as
> disrespecting your opinion.  Simply typing in brevity.  :)
> 
> At any rate, I read it as a user end permission error, not as
> a copy process failure.
> 
> :m:dsm:cci:mvp
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Medeiros, Jose
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:34 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> No problem in disagreeing, as long as we can respect each
> others opinions. 
> 
> Granted Debbie did not give a us lot of details,  but based
> on what Debbie wrote, it sounds like she is having trouble 
> copying the files from the server, and if her users had full 
> control enabled on the original NT 4 home directory, then in 
> the middle of the move process she would probably have an 
> access denied even though she is the admin. 
> 
> By taking ownership of the files prior to her move this issue
> would be resolved. She also stated that the permissions are 
> change ( Change for end users is better then Full control in 
> my option) and Debbie stated that she has moved some of the 
> files and that leads me to believe that the permissions on 
> the target server have at least write access at the Share and 
> NTFS permission level.
> 
> I am also sure that Debbie was at least smart enough to
> verify the share level and file permissions on the new target 
> server prior to posting on this list, however I doubt if she 
> went through all the files on the source server to verify 
> that none of them had full control as a ACL for the user 
> account in question.
> 
> The other issue that she me be experiencing is that if the
> files are currently in use the they will be locked also 
> stopping the move process from occurring.
> 
> Well that's my two cents,
> 
> Jose
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> 
> 
> I disagree.  Taking ownership isn't going to fix the
> permissions issues for the user at the opposite end.  I'm 
> leaning towards a share-level permission problem, since 2003 
> by default sets shares at Everyone:Read while NT was 
> Everyone:Full Control.
>  
> :m:dsm:cci:mvp
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Medeiros, Jose
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
>  
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> This sounds like you need to take ownership of all the files
> in each home directory before moving the data.
>  
> Jose
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ellis, Debbie
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:45 PM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Home Directories
> We are in the process of moving our user's  home directories
> from  NT server to 2003 server.  We have moved some and have 
> ran into a problem.
> The user's are unable to delete or add but the effective 
> permissions is change access.  Has anyone ran into this issue?
> 
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